Daring Fireball‘The Window Chrome of Our Discontent’
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/03/06/window-chrome-of-our-discontent
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/03/06/window-chrome-of-our-discontent
BrightBird@daringfireball This is exactly the reason that for the first time and for a long time, I am seriously considering to switch back again to MS Office. The interface of MS Office degraded as well in the last decades and the office suite has never been good looking Mac software, but it still is way better than what Apple is shipping right now. It’s such a shame. Apple’s office bundle has been such a beautiful one and I’d love to stick to it, but they do not leave me any choice.
Olivier Roux (moose)@daringfireball also, how is it making chrome disappear when you basically need to have a bloody inspector/drawer open at all time on the right to do anything?
Abhimat Gautam@daringfireball
@gruber @nickheer
Re: “I can’t even tell at a glance that it’s a document word processor, especially with the formatting sidebar hidden”
This is an issue I keep running into with Pages and Preview on Tahoe. At a glance, the document windows in both apps look exactly the same, and I frustratingly start clicking documents in Preview to edit them before realizing a few seconds later that it’s Preview and not Pages…
Fuzen
Rik @ bikescape.org@daringfireball I just want document title bars back. Cramming controls in and shortening the document name makes using a simple app like Pages harder than it should be.
Jeff Clatworthy@daringfireball Shows how increasingly little the Design group had been using Fact and Research based UI science as the basis of their work, through the Ives and Dye years.
@jeffcgd @daringfireball the new wave of Apple human interface people forgot what made Apple software iconic, beautiful, and practical. Although, I’m not sure Apple ever truly did UI science; they had smart people with good taste and opinions.
Lars 
@daringfireball Until the last screenshot, it‘s like ”yeah, I see that it’s gotten worse, but I could live with that.“ But then you get to the last screenshot, and it’s just utter madness. Insane.
@lonzo Yep. The damn has been cracked and obviously leaking for a while, but with Tahoe, it burst.
Peter N Lewis@daringfireball Apple: Chrome around content is bad. Louvre: we’re getting rid of frames.
Gabor Lenard@peternlewis @daringfireball I happen to find the frameless option to be more aesthetically pleasing (where the shadow of the frame should also disappear, obviously) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Karate Gum
n2o ☮️@peternlewis @daringfireball You forgot the semi transparent, hard to read description of the painting appearing somewhere above it right when you don't want to see it.
John Gordon 📷
Markus Fink@peternlewis @daringfireball frames are obsolete since HTML5
bbccdde@peternlewis Wait, is that a photoshopped picture, or did they actually do that to the Mona Lisa?
FeloniousPunk@daringfireball And it’s not just Apple. Themes for things like JetBrains applications have new default themes which make it visually difficult to discern content from tool windows.
Part of me wonders if this is a generational thing, like when black wheels for cars came on the scene. Most Gen-Xers HATED them because it looked like your wheels lost hubcaps, at least to our experienced eyes.