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Fesshole 🧻On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.
jack
Large Format Projectionist
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)
Space Hobo
Joan of Contention 😷@clickhere @jackeric @fesshole
No, it defeats the bullshit “wisdom of crowds.” D-K is like the gravitational constant.
Valdus@clickhere
Taps the "Dunning-Kruger effect is an error of statistical analysis" sign.
https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2022/04/08/the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-autocorrelation/
@BenHM3 @jackeric @fesshole
Taps the "Dunning-Kruger effect is an error of statistical analysis" sign.
https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2022/04/08/the-dunning-kruger-effect-is-autocorrelation/
@BenHM3 @jackeric @fesshole
Edelruth, PBS Passport Holder
chronophage@fesshole Same with StackOverflow - that site is toxic. For all the complaints about AI - it gives me better results without the blatant misogyny. Not least - no mansplaining to me why my question is wrong. I will not miss its demise.
Bee O'Problem 
@chronovore @fesshole that's what drives me crazy about SO
At its start it was really helpful. But then the site gradually became less about Q&A and more about going for points and e-peen measuring. Way too many questions end up "why are you doing that" or having the highest voted answer being flagrantly wrong
Still it's nominally better than the before times where searching a question turned up forum threads with no answer, elitist flaming, "fixed it" or paywalled Experts Exchange links.
Rihards Olups
Charles ☭ 
is a Green@richlv @beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole
On ask Ubuntu, the highest rated answer is often out if date, but it can sometimes be a useful hint on how to search further.
@richlv @chronovore @fesshole example I ran into today was an answer to a question "misunderstanding of before in cypress." Person is visiting a page in a (before) call, first test passes others fail with a blank page.
Top answer "you are trying one test per command" which is an architectural decision unrelated to the question
Actual, correct answer "you have test isolation turned on"
I don't keep a list of encounters but it's something I run into often enough to remember as a "thing"
Xdej@richlv
It happens every three questions in my biaised set of programming stackexchange questions I stumble on.
@beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole
It happens every three questions in my biaised set of programming stackexchange questions I stumble on.
@beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole
Passwordsarehard4@beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole I always hated finding someone with the exact problem I had, on the exact components, running the exact programs. Then after reading 83 responses they post again “never mind, fixed it” archived from 2 years before.
@passwordsarehard4 @chronovore @fesshole I wish I could reach through the internet, grab them by the shoulders and just tell "HOW?!??!? WHY DIDN'T YOU POST HOW?!?!"
Chaucerburnt@beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole my first encounter with SO, somebody had already asked the question I had, but the accepted answer had a major bug.
I didn't have the karma to comment on that answer, so I posted my own "answer" just noting what the bug was and how to fix it. Some asshole immediately told me off for not doing it in a comment, and then when I pointed that I couldn't, for not karma farming until I was able to comment.
I've had many better interactions on SO since but that stuck in the mind. Wiki is getting like that too.
Jesus Margar@chronovore @fesshole the same happened with mathoverflow. It wasn't like this when it started but at some point in the last decade it changed.
obscurestar@jesusmargar @chronovore @fesshole Tends to remind me of walking and dog. They just GOTTA PEE right here because someone else was here and their stink needs to reign supreme. That's really what's going on. Sad apes beating their chest trying to mark territory where they feel powerful.
Dan Morse 
Nova@fesshole I normally only stay on certain sides of the Linux community, mostly super queer ones, so I forgot how very non-progressive so much of it is.
Flux@doraii @fesshole The Linux community is probably the most extreme community ever (as a bi furry myself). Excluding the people who use it for their job.
You get the extremely "Don't Tread on Me" individualistic conservatives and then the more collectivist, very gay side which has the vibe of a cheesey cyberpunk film (in a good way) who are responsible for like 80% of the projects people care about.
Surprisingly the Venn diagram isn't entirely seperate.
Moritz Negwer@fesshole This is a sucessful application of a technique called self-akshually-zation
Nu Modular@fesshole Is this a Con job, or... a... Con Fess shun?..
watawoyld
donkey@numodular @fesshole Cron job. 😜
thedæmon (Clay Ayers) [he / him]Funny yet sad.
Justine Smithies
h0h0kam
Julia Clement@fesshole If you don't know the answer, how do you know it's the wrong answer?
This is, of course, a version of the "a stopped clock is right twice a day" problem.
@juliaclement @fesshole I don't know what the cure to cancer is, but I sure as hell know that it *isn't* topical chlorine gas. We've known that since WW1.
Sabrina Web 
📎@juliaclement @fesshole it's something she tried and didn't work, so it's surely wrong
Jen@juliaclement @fesshole she probably posts about something she already tried. Something that sounds feasible (hence answer) but didn't actually work (hence wrong).
Really Lazy Bear 
@fesshole It's just nerds not able to resist to correct wrong stuff. I see it all the time. Hell even they cant resist apostrophe's and wrong splellings !
But I have respect for women. I'm just scared of them. I'm afraid to look at their faces, eyes or come in contact with them. Not because I hate women, but I don't want to offend, or cause any kind of commotion. I'm scared of the unknown and they are the unknown
I've had traumatic experiences with my parents, especially with my mum so yeah...
Mitex Leo@reallylazybear @fesshole I feel seen.
@fesshole I really wish this sounded less legit. :(
Crow@fesshole Not a woman but often incapable of eliciting a response to my basic Linux questions. Maybe I should try your method!
Richard Hendricks
Martouf
canllaith@fesshole I've already read that, and reading it twice in a short time doesn't make me suspicious. Because I've contacted "experts" before, and I've received mixed reactions, I mean extreme.
There are very nice and helpful people, and the worst kind of sociopaths, both sitting at the same top level table.
Anyone can see that emerging from the wars running inside projects.
There's no such idillyc haven in the dry plain fact that some software is open source. Nor there's any rule for closed one.
There are very nice and helpful people, and the worst kind of sociopaths, both sitting at the same top level table.
Anyone can see that emerging from the wars running inside projects.
There's no such idillyc haven in the dry plain fact that some software is open source. Nor there's any rule for closed one.
Michel PatriceMost of the time, I can’t tell if I’m talking to a man or a woman…
geolaw
an actual bus@fesshole Setting the mansplainers against themselves is what's called a pro gamer move I reckon
Em & future cats 🇺🇦🐈🏳️🌈@fesshole Wow, yeah sorry we have so many “superiority complex’s” in technology & science.
I have a few words to say to people about this exact subject… I will rant about it at a later date.
But here’s my main message:
Be kind to one another, people, you have to stop being so “superior” , because you’re not helping anyone learn anything when you behave like this. And no, you’re not “better than everyone” you just “know a bit more of something”.
I have a few words to say to people about this exact subject… I will rant about it at a later date.
But here’s my main message:
Be kind to one another, people, you have to stop being so “superior” , because you’re not helping anyone learn anything when you behave like this. And no, you’re not “better than everyone” you just “know a bit more of something”.
Ray Kelm
Bill
☮ ♥ ♬ 🧑💻@fesshole as a rule I’ve always looked at the answer (or question) not who posted it. As for asking technical Q’s on forums; The 10-80-10 rule applies.
10% are noobs with the wrong answer.
80% don’t know the answer, think they do and often, not always lead you down the wrong path to a partial solution.
The final 10% know the answer, may or may not reply or even be on the forums.
David PYou've left out the percentage who tell you there's something wrong with your question and close the thread before you get a chance to address it. Fucking toxic tech forums.
@fesshole @pewnack yeah I’ve seen that. I was a beta tester on a popular *Old-World* Q/A where I was “Last seen more than 10 years ago”. ¥
The login system used bad, the idea of technical pedant’s answering questions from mostly n00bs was rewarded.
Thoughtful longer tailored answers ignored for short snappy RTFM, then mean cryptic answers or references to past questions was the norm.
AI chewed this idea up. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer mob.
The way Python docs are written, Man & info files, RFCs and books are a gold standard for documentation and learning core concepts. Usenet, (historically) twitter were good for water cooler Q/A’s.
I've experienced nothing but toxic behaviour. Speaking specifically of Stack exchange/overflow. I just don't use it as anything other than a read only resource anymore.
Meanwhile, in my workplace there are several of those toxic dickheads I now try my very best to stay clear.
This toxic bullshit was well before LLMs.
At least LLMs aren't condescending arseholes.
Meanwhile, do you realise how condescending and infantilising the term "n00bs" actually is?
@pewnack @fesshole yeah, but it’s accurate. You have the knowledge that people “don’t know, what they don’t know” and are confidently oblivious to this.
Had a “Marketing Guy” look at developers all day and came to the conclusion Marketing was place where the money was made and turning ideas into code was easy. Watched him for days wiring up some simple GUI in VB with a button.
He was a total n00b.
The term is childish and made to be infantilising.
Have you even tried using "beginners"?
Marc Etienne@pewnack @peterrenshaw @fesshole in a way, "n00b" is self deprecating, because of the l33tsp33k origin and the deliberate misspelling. If intentional, it can be humanizing, so context matters.
I see it as shorthand in many cases for "oh, you sweet summer child", but I was never a gamer.
JackMex