frutiger
GrapheneOSWe're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support.
https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
Kir@GrapheneOS This is huge!
Pietro395 
🇮🇹@GrapheneOS is the device still expected to roll out in 2027 or will it be towards the tail end of 2026?
Alexia 
@alexia @GrapheneOS sad, I was hoping Motorola Signature, the Razrs (Fold and Flip) will make the cut at the very least.
@skywalker2k17 @alexia They're close but don't have hardware memory tagging usable in production and we aren't willing to lose it. It will be the next generation of those devices supporting GrapheneOS.
pmurphs@GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 @alexia I am ready for an upgrade.. Wish a repairable phone was an option. Due to the fact the only thing wrong with my phone is the charge port on my pixel 7.
@pmurphs @GrapheneOS @alexia maybe a fairphone and there are some other European alternatives too (one or two more but I can't remember).
Edit : I think one of them is a Shiftphone. But you should look into them (as I didn't bother with them cuz I can't get them shipped to my place).
@skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS @alexia yeah. I have looked at Fairphones. Their hardware (according to the grapheneos team) is not secure. So there is no grapheneos support.
jan-leila@pmurphs @skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS @alexia there are more issues beyond just the hardware. The fairphone team has not been able to ship timely security patches to their devices which are needed for GraphineOS development, they have in the past just accidentally leaked their device signing keys meaning you could never be sure of your security on any device signed with those keys pre or post leak, and many other issues. I really hope they can get it together some day because I hate compromising
@jan_leila @skywalker2k17 @GrapheneOS @alexia thanks! I knew there were more issues the one was just top of mind.. Still we need more repairable options for phone.
Sudo Sudo Sudo ⒶⒺⓋ@pmurphs @GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 @alexia I keep a back up Pixal 7 and just booted it up yesterday. It was dead and wasn't charging. Had me so worried about repairing replacing the battery. It would start to boot and then fail due to batter charge. Luckly I found that pausing the GOS boot corrected this and now It's just fine.
@Prometheus @GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 @alexia that's good for me to mental note. My issue is USB c port damage / failure. And right now I have to balance keeping the heat on in my car versus wirelessly charging my phone, and my phone is at 14%, because the wireless charging overheats the phone.
@pmurphs @GrapheneOS @skywalker2k17 @alexia I looked up how repairable the motorola was. It's a stretch for the screen and usb c port. The back camera isn't too bad. 🫣
@GrapheneOS @alexia I see, thank you for letting us know the reason why. It's sad to see manufacturers intentionally disable MTE when it can prevent a lot of attacks.
@GrapheneOS can you already tell if pixel 11 phones will be supported? I'm really looking forward to this collab but just want to know what we can expect.
@GrapheneOS Great job!
Btw you can get ready for answering flood of questions about why Motorola smartphone department belongs to a Chinese company called Lenovo.
Btw you can get ready for answering flood of questions about why Motorola smartphone department belongs to a Chinese company called Lenovo.
luna the doggie 
@a53bdb @GrapheneOS now you can decide whether you're more worried about US backdoors or Chinese backdoors 
Honestly at this point the latter is probably more trustworthy 
Honestly at this point the latter is probably more trustworthy
@a53bdb @GrapheneOS realistically whichever manufacturer has longer software support and easier to get repair parts is what I would go for.
sparrows (doll arc) :flaglesbian::neoamazonia::vriskasip:
Karl Voit 
@lunareclipse @GrapheneOS @a53bdb US-based companies have thousands of published backdoors already. I don't recall many Chinese products which were found to have been shipped with backdoors. 🤷
LisPi@publicvoit @lunareclipse @GrapheneOS @a53bdb Kind of depends on whether you count "cheap electronics that don't really need to call home or shouldn't but still do".
There's a whole lot of them and they routinely get compromised and added to botnets later in their lifecycle.
There's a whole lot of them and they routinely get compromised and added to botnets later in their lifecycle.
@publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse Indeed not, but just because everyone else is bad doesn't make it acceptable.
James Bartlett 
@lispi314
There's a *big* difference between "sloppy security that eventually gets pwned" and "deliberately backdoored by a nation-state for the purpose of domestic mass surveillance"
@GrapheneOS @publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse
There's a *big* difference between "sloppy security that eventually gets pwned" and "deliberately backdoored by a nation-state for the purpose of domestic mass surveillance"
@GrapheneOS @publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse
@JamesDBartlett3 @GrapheneOS @publicvoit @a53bdb @lunareclipse Sometimes they're one and the same as it's done on purpose.
That also makes it deniable.
That also makes it deniable.
@JamesDBartlett3 @lispi314 @GrapheneOS @a53bdb @lunareclipse I agree.
I consider the USA as the premium example for the latter. 😉
@publicvoit @JamesDBartlett3 @lispi314 @a53bdb @lunareclipse People have different opinions. We're going to work with Motorola to meet all of our security requirements and improve security beyond that. They're helping us with providing GrapheneOS support for their devices rather than us having to do the work ourselves. They may end up contributing more to GrapheneOS beyond that too. In the future, we can work with other OEMs. It's not an exclusive partnership but we have limited resources.
Joonq
Cambionn@a53bdb @GrapheneOS To be fair, all phones are made there so that risk always exists anyway.
As long as GrapheneOS doesn't slack on their requirements including (but not limited to) being able to access low level stuff it shouldn't be much worse if you flash the phone yourself. And those kind of requirements are why Pixels where the only ones supported to begin with...
@Cambion @GrapheneOS Every phone is made globally, which means risks are from almost every major country. But some people always judge the phone by the company location, I was kidding.
@a53bdb @GrapheneOS Yeah agree. Sadly I've already seen the first bunch of people complaining about this without it being a joke 🥲.
NewDay@Cambion @a53bdb @GrapheneOS What do you mean? There are huge companies that do not manufacture their phones in China. Samsung does it in Vietnam primarily.
@NewDay14 @a53bdb @GrapheneOS
Many off the important parts are still made in China before it's shipped to other places the phones are made. There is no going around that. Beside, Vietnam is not much different when it comes to this...
Many off the important parts are still made in China before it's shipped to other places the phones are made. There is no going around that. Beside, Vietnam is not much different when it comes to this...
@Cambion @a53bdb @GrapheneOS Samsung is the best company when it comes to independence. Samsung produces their displays, batteries, cameras, and processors in South Korea mainly. If the goal is to minimize dependency on China and the US while still obtaining high-quality products, Samsung is the clear leader in that field. However, they are likely so large that they wouldn't be interested in a partnership.
@NewDay14 @Cambion @GrapheneOS South Korean is not a good option too, US army has been there for a long time.
@a53bdb @Cambion @GrapheneOS I do not understand that argument. They are also in Germany, but no one thinks that their security and privacy rights are bad. You will have to choose and Vietnam and South Korea is definitely better than China and the US in my opinion.
@NewDay14 @Cambion @GrapheneOS Where the company locate doesn’t matter, audit matters. Because there’s no difference between being last and second to last.
@a53bdb @Cambion @GrapheneOS There are audits and for example Samsung is the only Android phone maker that got the most prestigious award by the BSI. The background does matter. Do you really think that all these Chinese and American laws for sharing data do not exist? Do you really believe that all the cases that have come to light were lies? Do you believe the propaganda from US big tech companies that they are now investing more in Europe to "protect" Europeans' data from Trump?
@NewDay14 @a53bdb @GrapheneOS
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Samsung has factories in China too. They just don't market those as loudly. There are also still some important chips they don't produce themselves, like those used for connections.
And again, Vietnam is not a better choice than China. Their politics are equally bad and if anything, their manufacturing may be worse on average.
It was the security perspective we where talking about. If "Chinese phone" is a worry there, all phones are a risk. Samsung included
@NewDay14 @a53bdb
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The whole point was also: @GrapheneOS is already mitigating that risk as far as possible and declines devices where they cannot do that enough
What they need from a partner is them opening up enough to let them. Samsung is by no means likely. They too love to push their own stuff and influence, preferably with data going their way. Their big due marketing before anything else. And size is why they can manufacture their own stuff.
Be bad -> grow -> "look I'm independant"
@NewDay14 @a53bdb @GrapheneOS
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Just to add to that:
I have nothing against South Korea personally, and the following is not a sovereignty reason, but to be honest I will likely never buy Samsung (outside of SSDs maybe). Maybe I'm unlucky, but pretty much everything else I've bought had issues with batteries swelling, and I know someone who died from a Samsung fridge exploding in their face... No thanks... Enough other good brands with less explosion risks...
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Just to add to that:
I have nothing against South Korea personally, and the following is not a sovereignty reason, but to be honest I will likely never buy Samsung (outside of SSDs maybe). Maybe I'm unlucky, but pretty much everything else I've bought had issues with batteries swelling, and I know someone who died from a Samsung fridge exploding in their face... No thanks... Enough other good brands with less explosion risks...
@NewDay14 @Cambion @a53bdb Motorola contacted us about working together and we enthusiastically pursued it. We would do the same if Samsung wanted to work with us. Our Motorola partnership is explicitly a non-exclusive contract. There would need to be another company wanting to work with us and capable of meeting our requirements for there to be another partnership though.
@a53bdb We'll continue to have Pixels as an option.
@GrapheneOS I think you got me wrong…
@a53bdb We knew you weren't saying that but that's the answer we have for people who are.
Seclusion5500 [they/them]@a53bdb @GrapheneOS all your phones are made in China, and you're worried about what label is on the package. It's a bit too late to complain about that, buckaroo.
Christian Lauf@GrapheneOS Oh yes! Thank you! Just in time after OnePlus started to do strange things with their OS.
🇺🇳 🇪🇺 🇩🇪 Arnd 🇮🇱 🇺🇦 🇬🇱 🇹🇼🤔 How long we have to wait?
🤔 Can I buy phones with GrapheneOS installed?
🤔 Can I buy phones with GrapheneOS installed?
Nate@[email protected] According to an article I found it sounds like they come pre-installed, no when they'll be shipping though.
j@mastodonI heard rumours that GrapheneOS will ship in phones and it will not be possible to flash another OS.
Is this true?
@jcast @nate @ajkaestner That's definitely not true and we've repeatedly said the direct opposite. Where are you getting that from?
Thanks for clarifying that, it didn't make any sense. In a group chat with friends.
@nate @ajkaestner Maybe 2027 Q1
ticho@GrapheneOS Tell them to fix the misspelled "GrapehenOS" tag at the bottom of their article. :)
...unless there actually are some grape hens in the pipeline. Hey, no kink shaming!
EDIT: Looks like it's fixed as of now.
Xtreix@GrapheneOS Carbon together strong !