RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

- Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
- Support open firmware, hackable devices
- Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
- Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
- FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

@cwebber
https://flisol.info/InstallFest <3

I don't know if you have an equivalent of the Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de Software Libre, but there's a install festival in Latinoamerica with presentations too. It is organized by volunteers yearly

InstallFest - FLISOL

@cwebber @sleepyowl
😣😣😣 open semiconductor fabs when ,
@cwebber @sleepyowl i know its not super feasible , but i don't see any other way out of this
@theotheroracle @cwebber @sleepyowl return to Altair 8000 when?
@fishidwardrobe @theotheroracle @cwebber @sleepyowl
We have @libreboot now, for almost every cheap secondhand ThinkPad, and many many other platforms.

@cwebber @sleepyowl

Great insight! Where is Bunnie Huang? We need more people like you and him, I think. Hack everything!

How is the MNT reform fro this pont of view?

@cwebber @sleepyowl

This. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

@cwebber @sleepyowl do you happen to know if Google could decide to lock the bootloader of a Pixel phone with a software update?
@dain @cwebber this isn't Pixel, but Samsung seems to have pushed updates to stop people from installing custom ROMs https://manganiello.eu/objects/efc723df-04cf-440d-8404-e9a5f21b2f4c
Fabio Manganiello (@[email protected])

#Samsung devices from today can no longer install custom ROMs.Odin is gone and the Download Mode is also gone, which makes life hard also for repair services that want to restore a device.This is y...

@sleepyowl @cwebber oh no, that's pretty terrible and does directly answer the question that any Android OS vendor (not just Google) can decide to end the custom firmware party at any moment 

@cwebber @sleepyowl When arbitrary code execution is outlawed, only outlaws will have arbitrary code execution.

I know what camp I belong to.

@cwebber @sleepyowl

In fact: this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY computing power we control AT ALL

@cwebber @sleepyowl This is all part of the same effort that's locking down Android development and buying out all the storage, chips and RAM before consumers have a chance.

This is the end run to kill all OSS by forcing us to rent compute and storage, then beg permission to participate.

@cwebber @sleepyowl @aparrish It’s not like we haven’t had a good preview with DRM and banking apps on alternate android distributions already so I don’t get those who don’t see that as potentially leading to complete loss of access either…
@cwebber @sleepyowl Think again: maybe you're already updating systems with CPU and GPU microcode that's there to slip in some backdoor.
@cwebber @sleepyowl genuinely as time goes on I'm wondering if its a good idea to have at least one strictly offline device/machine

@cwebber @sleepyowl
Age verification is a loss of privacy to big US Corporations and to your Government for all Adults.

"Think of the children" is purely an excuse for surveillance. It's up to parents to "police" child access to technology or Internet, or books, or music. No-one else.

This is a denial of human rights for all adults.

@cwebber @sleepyowl nobody is gonna prevent you from playing with your free softwares on your purple fisher-price laptop. It just cannot load any of the top 1000 websites (or anything on cloudflare), because they all require remote attestation of an adult OS.
@joeyh @sleepyowl I mean, for most people, and most of the time, that's the same thing
@cwebber @sleepyowl Age verification is the trojan horse for absolute surveillance
@cwebber @sleepyowl
we will brake the locks they impose we will be free

@cwebber @sleepyowl They've artificially caused a shortage of RAM and hard drives so you can't build your own.

Much of the time the bootloader can be cracked. They're getting much better at that though. They can also use these same methods to keep you from gaining access to networks if your bootloader can't sign with a certified key--which your overwrite won't.

It's not hard to see what they're up to. I just don't know what to do about it. It looks like checkmate to me.

Les Orchard (@[email protected])

It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware. https://マリウス.com/hold-on-to-your-hardware/

Hackers.Town

@fname

Well said. Capitalists want to monopolise hardware and be the permanent owners of all devices used by everyone for everything.

Once hardware monopolies are assured then firms will charge users to rent their devices, and users will no longer have any control over operating systems, software libraries or backdoors.

@cwebber @sleepyowl

@cwebber @sleepyowl Yeah, the total refusal for some folks in FOSS to take this seriously because of a pinky promise in open licensing is going to make us sleep walk into this if we're not careful.

I think it's pretty easy to put up your blinders and refuse to acknowledge our individual shortcomings.

Most of us are software folks-- this will be a hardware based lock in. Many of us software people struggle with hardware issues and many of those simply cannot be sidestepped with a clever hack.

Just look at the ongoing issues with Nvidia drivers, Wayland support, LibreBoot, and standing community conventions like GUIX's tacit refusal to run on anything with proprietary drivers to get a taste of the absolute uphill slog we will all face if the community has to contend with this kind of low-level issue everywhere all at once.

The thing that drives me nuts too is that, although I suspect some issues on the internet can be solved with clever legislation, I don't think this is the way to do it. AT ALL. This whole thing feels like it was drafted by desperate polititicians who succumbed to a flashy tech bro slide deck and marketing pitches without a single thought to security, maintainence, economic impacts, etc. Like. Y'all. You have massive data centers filled with Linux boxes that some unlucky sod is probably going to get saddled with plugging their own biometrics into just to run a load balancer for the DMV. Does that feel sustainable?

Its the SaaS equivalent to legislation-- slap a bandaid on it and when people complain, blame them.

I don't live in either of the states where they're discussing this and my elected legislators are the "stick my fingers in my ears and yell real loud" types. What can I do now to help prevent this from being adopted? Are there any advocacy groups throwing their hat into the ring that we can rally behind?

@cwebber @sleepyowl

Let ALL the Democrats in California know, they will be primaried, until they are gone. GONE.

Rescind the law. Veto the law, primary the Democrats.

#california #democrats #caldems #ageVerification #fascism #screamingAngry #fools #jackasses

@cwebber @sleepyowl

Microsoft isn't trying to force the usage of UEFI and TPM for nothing by only allowing online accounts and Bitlocker is enabled by default and only optional on Enterprise editions and servers.

And the day may come where hardware vendors sell only hardware where UEFI and TPM aren't optional anymore and enabled by default. That will be the tipping point.

I sincerely hope this is just a dystopian thought.

@cwebber @sleepyowl I genuinely do not understand why the need for Age Verification for OS.........

@linkachus17

It's a govt/corporate want rather than a user need, and age verification is just an excuse to validate the identity of anyone who uses an internet-connected personal device.

@cwebber @sleepyowl

@cwebber @sleepyowl I don't necessarily believe they'll lock the firmware behind this. But they'll probably will do firmware powered "attestations" which, yes, Linux can ignore. But then we'll get a downgraded Web, just like Netflix won't serve 4K w/o DRM.

I don't think we'll get locked out from compute. But from sharing and browsing.

@cwebber @sleepyowl

And by already pushing this shit in California, Gavin Newsom once again tips his hand and shows us all that under the pretty liberal word salad and reassuring smiles, he's yet another goddamn fascist.

@cwebber @sleepyowl there are millions of copies of free OS out in the wild that can be kept going, updated and tweaked indefinitely. How is any govt going to control those? Asking on behalf of my 4 Linux devices.