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Especially as none of them were arguing whether Violence Is Always The Answer or Oppression By The State was Monopoly On Violence’s best album.
The only way a state can maintain inequality (economic, social. political) is by monopolizing violence. This is actually the ONLY reason a state exists, to maintain and enhance inequality mechanisms. In state capitalism the inequality was political, few had the power to decide.
You can trade power and wealth all day in the marketplace, there is actually little difference.
@kelpana @redsad The state is just the biggest gang in any given territory. A state is referred to as "stable" if the #2 gang is not strong enough to mount a challenge.
In the case of Israel specifically, the Zionist movement used a variety of those "non-state violence" tactics when they were weak and stateless.
As did the American revolutionaries after 1776.
You're legitimate if you win. If you lose you were terrorists.
@redsad it is pretty simple. Oppressed people are oppressed because they lack power in the first place. Exerting violence towards superior enemy, especially when you are in the minority, is losing strategy as they are simply better equipped and less reserved when it comes to dishing out violence.
Go punch a bad cop and get shot in the face and the crowd will cheer. Maybe it might work if enough bad cops get beaten but do you have enough manpower to sacrifice? Also violence leads to escalation. First you get beaten back. then pepper-sprayed and tasered, then cops will come in riot gear and then you'll see armored trucks with water cannons and machine guns and drones and helicopters and laws untying their hands. Do oppressed people have anything to match it? Not when it comes to violence most of the time.
It is not about "you don't allowed to do that and they do", it is about cost and effect.