Jan Wildeboer 😷
You know what works since 30+ years on the internet for people to discuss? Without ads? Without tracking? Without ID checks? In a way where you don't have to immediately react? Where you can collect your own archive of wonderful discussions? Mailing lists. Mailing lists still are the best social networks in my humble opinion. Like and subscribe ;)
The Way Of The Elders to run a project was a website with the basic information (static pages), a code repository and a few mailing lists. announce-@, discuss-@. An optional IRC channel for fast communication, but that often turned into a cesspit of trolls. A modern approach would be static pages, a repository, mailing lists and maybe a signal group.
What I really try to express is this: In the many years of the internet, so many tools and solutions have been created that work and scale without centralised platforms. Though "they" always try to centralise. But you can build decentralised communities using battle proven tools like mailing lists and running your own mail server. Running your own Forgejo. Your own Mastodon. The internet was made to be decentralised, as was the underlying protocol, TCP/IP. So use it. Become sovereign :)
Collective TruthRE: https://bahn.social/@MeierUli/116006925873414629
@jwildeboer About SELFHOSTED EMAIL
Email is a good idea to solve for ourselves - even as a sentiment or practical / political action - but I need also somewhere I can go when I get stuck which will for sure happen (half-way through maybe) and past just my sentiment phase I'd need to go to the finish with someone.
I think it's getting better... or exists! ? !
Looking at #email hashtag and #selfhost / #selfhosting / #selfhosted
"Mailserver: mox is great fun."
https://www.xmox.nl/
-dsr- (hypoparenthetically)I've been running mailservers for myself and for others (ISP, corporate) for about 30 years. The current best "learn-and-do" guide is @mwl 's Run Your Own Mailserver, available from https://www.tiltedwindmillpress.com
aspiring retireeI'm very disappointed to see the e-book for self-hosting email put behind a hefty pay-wall by Michael.
Of course I understand the need to eat, but I still don't think this is in the FLOSS spirit.
@roy_calum @collective_truth @jwildeboer @mwl
I'm not sure why you're complaining to me. The docs are free, the software is free, and the book is not necessary -- it's just an entertaining, informative, and well-researched guide to putting those things together.
If you want it for free I'm sure that someone on the internet is sharing it, but the price for that sort of thing is having to live with yourself.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but what have you done to root out capitalism lately?
Sure let's start this over on the terms you chose.
I appreciated your suggestion to a pressing problem I'm researching and went looking for what you meant.
I had to because you couldn't be bothered to specify.
Moreover I didn't expect to find a price attached to your recommendation and expressed my disappointment to you specifically and the thread in general.
I addressed you because it was your recommendation and you didn't bother to inform us neither of the title or the price.
I'm sure I could find it somewhere, but I agree there are ethical implications, that may or may not be necessary.
Personally I want to see other forms of organisation, especially in the open-source sphere, than pay-walls. Mainly for reasons of accessibility.
What I do to progress our global society and to save our ecosphere is none of your business.
You're welcome to speculate based on my public posts.
You're also welcome to reflect on your personal netiquette.
I've tried my darndest to remain civil.
@roy_calum @collective_truth @jwildeboer @mwl
One last try:
You posed a problem, I posed an answer.
You don't like the price of the answer.
OK. Given that it's not me charging the price or authoring the book, what resolution were you seeking from me that would make you happy?
Did you just want me to feel sad that I had failed to recommend something free?
You could've a) specified the title and b) clarified the conditions, in this case the price.
Furthermore you could've answered less confrontationally.
I'm no enemy.
@roy_calum @collective_truth @jwildeboer @mwl
The graphic says "Buy print, get the ebook free". I suppose it could say "buy the ebook alone or get it for free when you buy a print copy", but I think that's more or less acceptable as is.
I won't stop recommending good books; I suppose that I shall mention that books often come with a price that must be paid in money.
I hope you are happy, now. And I hope that, should you decide to self-host email, you pay MWL for a copy of his book, which, as I said, is currently the best guide to what you say you want to do.
I'm done here.
I'm unclear what graphic you mean.
The minimum price for any bundle is $14.99.
Please don't stop whatever you do.
I don't really care.
What I do care about is having good discussions which necessitate civility.
You may be done here, but not elsewhere.
Conserve your energy for those worth fighting.