StephenFeb 27
Charlie Stross

From bluesky:

Posit that to be judged for a sin implies that information about the sin is available to god/jesus.

Information implies entropy implies energy implies mass.

...so you can run an attack on heaven by sinmaxxing so hard Christ converts into a black hole from sheer acquired mass-energy and oneshots God by trapping him in something not even His light can escape from

Feb 27 at 8:37pmWeb
Show threadMatt HallFeb 27

@cstross

You had me at `sinmaxxing`... <3

Show threadIsaac LymanFeb 27
@cstross DDoS - Divine Denial of Service
Show threadChucklesFeb 27
@isaaclyman @cstross next-level God bothering
Show threadDougMerritt (log😅 = 💧log😄)Feb 27
@cstross
So, should I upvote or not upvote?
Show threadDanielFeb 27
@cstross So that explains the current US administration behavior. Interesting…
Show threadJebel Krong - sometimes ZachFeb 27
@cstross the fact that we haven’t gotten there yet is in itself fairly damning of the whole system.
Show threadnixFREAKFeb 27
@cstross oh that’s fucking amazing … put it on a shirt
Show threadNuclear OatmealFeb 27

@cstross

Hmmm...

It's not _killing_ God, but I'm in.

Do you have numbers?

Show threadNot The LBC GuyFeb 27
@cstross oh so that’s what the Trump administration is up to
Show threadStephen J HenstridgeFeb 27
@cstross But you're forgetting about Hawking Radiation
Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 27
@henstridge No, because at 16.5M☉ the black hole is massive enough there's going to be very little Hawking Radiation, at least for the first 10^62 or so years.
Show threadCarlos SolísFeb 28
Fun that you talk about Hawking radiation, considering that he was apparently doing some practical experimentation on sinmaxxing (by getting invited to Epstein's island... hmm...)
Show threadHighlandLawyerFeb 27

@cstross
Except the conventional definition of God there is "immanent & transcendent", which is logical since a creator entity would need to be at least partially outwith the spacetime of the universe to create it.

What use one can make of two way information channel out of the universe I will leave to the high energy physics theologians.

Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 27
@HighlandLawyer Look, you can assemble the critical mass using Catholic priests or weapons-grade uranium, I don't mind as long as we get the desired result …
Show threadpolypunkFeb 27
@cstross
A sin-gularity. Heh.
Show threadSteve HerseyFeb 27
@cstross
Hmmm, would not that project cause all Hell to boil (or freeze) over, depending on whether souls are exo- or endothermic in going there?
Show threadTheWholeTruthXX 🎨 ❤️ 🍁 🛡️Feb 27

@cstross

Logical problem number one is while it may very well be possible to mess up the Universe, it's literally a Bad Guy trope to at least try, there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that has any effect to speak of on the Heavenly plane of existence or even if that's a thing too, to have any effect on God, the foundation at the core of it all.

The rules, principles and shortcomings of our patch of existence do not necessarily limit realms beyond all ken or comprehension.

Show threadMazieFeb 27
@cstross maybe that's why we haven't had any Jesus level miracles of late. Humanity has DDoS god.
Show threadSam H (he/him)Feb 27
@cstross I resent that I understand all of this.
Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 27
@v_perjorative So do I. So do I. (Feels old.)
Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 27
@cstross typically fatuous assumptions at work here. why should one assume that it takes much more information to describe a million sins than to describe only one? sins generalize with ease. that's why the concept of cardinal sins exists, because sins fall readily into a compact set of abstractions, and all individual sins boil down to "being A (the sinner) willfully injured being B (the victim)" with the rest being incidental detail in the eyes of a Creator who already knows all details of Creation anyway.
Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 27
@cstross anyway I wouldn't worry about attacking Heaven if I were you, Charlie. God's already dead. Surely you've already been informed...
Show threadLauraFeb 28

@mxchara @cstross

Charlie
attacking heaven

Hmmm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazbin_Hotel

Hazbin Hotel - Wikipedia

Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 27
@mxchara But sins are committed by sinners! Which implies more than one bit of information per sin. Indeed, there may be mitigating or modifying parameters. Every instance of a sin is unique and must be accounted for separately!
Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 27
@cstross I suggest that there's great compressibility of information in this case. how much distinct information is really needed? aren't all murders basically the same crime (cf. Cain murdering Abel)
Show threadJon WilsonFeb 27
@mxchara @cstross Dante already described arranging different types of sinner in different parts of hell. So run length encoding should be quite efficient
Show threadCharlie StrossFeb 27
@bassthang @mxchara But nobody has just ONE sin! Everybody has one OR MORE sins. So you actually need a vector to encode their sin, one that can accommodate both the nature of the sins and their severity separately. To compare sinfulness of the undeserving one then needs to consider homogeneous matrix transformations …
Show threadJon WilsonFeb 27
@cstross @mxchara Apart from a few exceptions, most people only have a few vices. So the matrices will be sparse. We have good algorithms for that. I think it's computationally possible. We need to do some prototyping ... (... reaches for some cocaine, hookers, lube, and the NumPy documentation...)
Show threadColman ReillyFeb 27

@bassthang @cstross @mxchara can we not deduce the most likely compression system and craft pathological sin matrices to blow them up?

\[ 3 x sw, mint lube, … \]

Show threadSam Livingston-GrayFeb 27
@Colman @bassthang @cstross @mxchara I suspect that particular problem space has been thoroughly mapped. (See also Suzy Izzard on original sin: "Heard it!")
Show threadOrb 2069Feb 27

@geeksam I'm assuming inserting(*) NEW weird sex acts into the graph of existing weird sex acts is at most N log N, or even less if there's a hashed index or caching?

(* - heh heh heh.)
@Colman @bassthang @cstross @mxchara

Show threadJonFeb 27
@cstross @bassthang @mxchara we should construct the eigensin vectors so we can best describe individuals. The typical eigensin will probably closely map onto a CPAC or GOP conventiongoer.
Show threadJonFeb 27

@cstross @bassthang @mxchara on further thinking, the notion of "Generalized Coordinates" from Classical Mechanics seems perfectly applicable to developing a mathematics of Classical Evil using Generalized Sins.

Hm, I wonder if Lev Landau is in the Good Place or the Bad Place? Whichever one, I'm sure Lifschitz is there with him else nobody else could understand anything he says.

Show threadAmro has beenFeb 27
@cstross @bassthang @mxchara So we're al points of origins of sins... 3 dimensions + time of birth + time of sin and severity... Fuck it, fetch me some jesuits !
Show threadhaihappenFeb 27
@cstross @bassthang @mxchara so we need to maximize the sin-saturation in any given simulated soul. Before termimating the simulation to deliver the sin-ergy. Can we rapidly load+terminate a sinful soul or wozld that count as reincarnating? Do we need to simulate a pure soul long enough to encounter+reject christ's teachings, then speedrun the sin accumulation?
Computation Theologists should get on this.
Show threadBryan LawrenceFeb 28

@cstross @bassthang @mxchara Being “judged” …

Since when has severity been relevant, biblical commandments look pretty binary to me, and most folks fall foul of one of them, so you can just do an OR on that and return one bit per person?

Show threadHighlandLawyerFeb 27
@cstross @mxchara
Is the RC Church correct that forming the intent to commit a sinful act is itself a separate sin from the subsequent act? Though in that case there's presumably a by reference value combined with vector variables for any variation from the original.
Show threadFiona CraigFeb 27
@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara Welp, there's the book title, "The Calculus of Sin"
Show threadHugo MillsFeb 27
@FionaCraig @HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara Presumably the calculus of sin allows you to solve the differential equation describing the R-C circuit in the Church, and determine that it's all sin (or cos, with a phase offset).
Show threadJonFeb 27

@darkling @FionaCraig @HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara the longer this thread goes on, the faster the Demons build out the new Circle of Nerdpunning.

It's the only Circle where the Demons suffer more than the Souls they're in charge of.

Show threadAlex P Roe Feb 27
@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara Are you talking about sintent?! We need a sin algorithm to determine the level of sintent! But we all know RC sins can be extinguished with a few indulgences 😉
Show threadHugo MillsFeb 27

@alex_p_roe @HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara

"Forgive me Father, for I have sinned"

"You are forgiven, my son. Say a dozen Hello Worlds, and make an act of compilation."

Show threadPassengerFeb 27

@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara

In Reform Christianity, the religion I grew up in, the intention is the only part that is sinful.

- If I intentionally shoot you and you die, I've sinned.

- If I accidentally kill you, I haven't sinned.

- If I intentionally shoot you and miss, then I had murder in my heart and so I've sinned.

This suggests that we can run this DDOS without actually harming one another by attempting sins and foiling one another's schemes.

In order to make the sin information hard to compress, we would have to change the parameters each time we attempt a sin. Adding some arbitrary bullshit like costumes, unusual locations, things of that nature.

We'd have to be Batman villains, basically.

Show threadHighlandLawyerFeb 27
@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Except you couldn't have full intent knowing that you aren't actually going to go through with it, so you'd need one group intending to do the acts, being foiled by another group. So Legion of Doom and Justice League.
Show threadPassengerFeb 27

@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara

In order to allow us to really have full intent behind our sins, we should have some really powerful being foiling us, but which lets us go after each attempt.

It may be necessary to create Superman, in order to fully enable our sinning.

Show threadHighlandLawyerFeb 27
@passenger @cstross @mxchara
Attempts to create a superman have historically been a substantial source sin in themselves.
Show threadjonolethFeb 27
@HighlandLawyer @passenger @cstross @mxchara a sin-sin plan
Show threadPassengerFeb 28

@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara

This sounds like an excellent idea, I'm in.

Show threadRunner 🏳️‍⚧️Feb 27
@HighlandLawyer @cstross I would think the intent is like a deposit or a down payment that goes toward the full weight of the resultant sin
Show threadAlgaemanFeb 27
@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara The code is already written. We are just stack pointers.
Show threadMikeGFeb 27
@HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara
Until the intent to sin is fully formed the quantum state of the sin has yet to resolve. If the intent/repent threshold resolves to repentance is that an anti-sin?
Show threadMoritz NegwerFeb 28
@mikerg @HighlandLawyer @cstross @mxchara it's a secret until it is resolved by the discreet co-sin transformation.
Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 28
@moritz_negwer @mikerg @HighlandLawyer @cstross the law of sins: given three people all sinning in concert with and against each other, the ratio of a given person's sins to the angle between the other two persons' sins is the same for all three persons.
Show threadHighlandLawyerFeb 28
@mxchara @moritz_negwer @mikerg @cstross
The sum of the square of the sins on two sides is equal to the square of the sins of the hypocrite
Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 28
@HighlandLawyer @moritz_negwer @mikerg @cstross well done
Show threadwoe2youFeb 27

@cstross @mxchara Each sin must have a sinner and each sinner can commit multiple sins, but many sinners may commit the same sins. Therefore sins and sinners have a many to many relationship, each requiring the other as a foreign key.

Normalise sinning!

Show threadMx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of PnictogenFeb 27
@woe2you @cstross Sinning is already normalized, it's baked in (q.v. "original sin", the intrinsic faultiness of human behavior)
Show threadwoe2youFeb 27
@mxchara @cstross But you can't just rock up to the confessional and say "original sin, what do I get?" Sins must be enumerated in order to be confessed and must be confessed in order to be forgiven, that's a new sins.sinId each time.
Show threadSzabó Em, Enigma He-Art Director Feb 27
@cstross putting the "sin" in "SYN-ACK"