relogiFeb 27
Totts

My friend @Lazarou

Made a very profound point upon noticing whom the Labour Party seems to be most attacking: the Green Party, that is

He said, "The Labour Party are more concerned about another left wing party, then they are about a racist party."

Once you see this, you can never unsee this.

Gosh!

Feb 26 at 9:51pmWeb
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou Tonight's the night! C'mon the Greens!
Show threadTottsFeb 26
@Oyu_Fka @Lazarou it feels like an important moment
Show threadLazarou Monkey Terror ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’™๐ŸŒˆFeb 26
@Geri @Oyu_Fka it does!
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou Definitely....historic even ๐Ÿคž!
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27

@Geri @Lazarou Looks like history has been written!!! Next, the Senedd Elections in May, here in Wales ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟโœ…โœŠ !

Watch out for labour's version of hasbara to start about the Greens - it started before the vote with starmer accusing them of intending to legalise heroin and crack cocaine ffs. Talk about running scared, lol!

Show threadTottsFeb 27
@Oyu_Fka @Lazarou just ridiculous
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27

@Geri @Lazarou Just heard starmer on the news, lol! Claims he came to politics for the people, and will continue to fight extremism on the right, and the left, implying the Greens are extremists, lol!

Do you know how to set up questionnaires on here? I don't know how yet, but I'm going to try to put one up, asking 'How would you vote today?', with Labour, Green, Reform, Tory, None of the above, tick boxes - just to get a feeling of political leanings on Mastodon - should be interesting...

Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27

@Oyu_Fka

the technicality is not an issue - it's the little bargraph symbol somewhere on your field to type posts - it's that your response is determined by your reach in terms of followers and those who boost it.

Also, different apps have more or less options on #poll you can post

@Geri

[edit] notice @[email protected]
is now suspended on their home account

Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27

@wavesculptor @Geri Thank you! I'd seen it before, but couldn't remember where it was ๐Ÿ™.

PS. Why do you say our friend @Lazarou 's account is blocked? I don't understand ๐Ÿคจ.

Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27

@Oyu_Fka

try clicking on it. I went to investigate the start of the conversation. I have no idea of their posting matetrial or style. Curious though. mastodon.social is a much more "tolerant" instance than I am on!
@Geri @[email protected]

Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27

@wavesculptor @Geri Ah....I see....I'll try it myself...thanks again!

Ps. Posted my questionnaire ๐Ÿ‘!

Show threadTottsFeb 27
@Oyu_Fka @wavesculptor I have voted xx
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27

@wavesculptor @Geri Must've been some sort of glitch @Lazarou seems to work now ๐Ÿคท!

Had me worried for a moment, as we are all of similar political leanings, and I'm here due to a lifetime ban from reddit bc of my anti zionist, (not anti semitic), views.

Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27

@Oyu_Fka

I see they're back-up now. I have to go off-instance to read tho [as before, I remember now]. You know.

Had a hard-line anti-zionist jewish partner myself once, so I'm with you.

@[email protected]

Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27
@wavesculptor Following you ๐Ÿ‘!
Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27
@Oyu_Fka I follow a lot of people silently, particularly those who post on diverse stuff. Use the right tags. Visit them first - make sure other people use and follow them and they are the right material!
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27
@wavesculptor Yeh, that's one if my biggest failings - I continually forget to add tags to my posts, lol! Getting there, tho!
Show threadOyu F'kaFeb 27
@wavesculptor 5 votes so far, lol! Just added a couple of tags to my survey....see if that helps ๐Ÿ‘!
Show threadLazarou Monkey Terror ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’™๐ŸŒˆFeb 27
@Oyu_Fka @wavesculptor its more likley somebody taking offence to Mastodon.Social than me being banned or blocking anyone.
It happens.
Show threadTottsFeb 27
@wavesculptor @Oyu_Fka I was kicked off it xxx
Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27

@Geri

I think in your case Geri, that might have been due to server overload ๐Ÿ˜• - wait - are they US based?

@Oyu_Fka

Show threadTottsFeb 27
@wavesculptor @Oyu_Fka no I lost my temper with a nazi and used very unlady-like like expressions involving rusty chain mail gloves and body cavities xxx
Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27
@Geri @Oyu_Fka I'm going to the garden. Even if it is raining.
Show threadTottsFeb 27

@wavesculptor @Oyu_Fka

I see no suspension xxx

Show threadSolar๐ŸŒ„GardenFeb 27
@Geri @Oyu_Fka transient on their home site but long-time block on mine. Maybe one of those routine blocklists that get passed around that then need manual white listing
Show threadTottsFeb 27

@Oyu_Fka @Lazarou

Yes, I use Tusky and via the paperclip icon I can "add a poll" that way xx

Show threadNatashaFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou It says a lot too that Jeremy Corbyn was suggesting people should back the Greens, which is what you would do to stop fascism.
Show threadstaringatcloudsFeb 26

@Geri @Lazarou "Other" left wing party ?

The Green party is the only left wing party I can think of

Labour used to be but haven't been left wing for decades

Show threadJayfloFeb 26
@Lazarou @Geri @staringatclouds Labour still claim/pretend they are!
Show threadstaringatcloudsFeb 26

@jayflo They can claim to be left wing all they like

Their actions betray them

@Lazarou @Geri

Show threadLazarou Monkey Terror ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’™๐ŸŒˆFeb 26
@staringatclouds @jayflo @Geri exactly
Show threadPassengerFeb 27

@jayflo @Lazarou

A lot of Labour voters are still fairly Leftist, they're just stuck in a tribal voting mindset.

Show threadBrian JohnsonFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou Chris Mason on the BBC seems to think so too: "And if Labour fail to win, itโ€™ll be awkward for them if Reform are the victors - and arguably doubly awkward if it is the Greens". If that's truly how Labour feel, there's nothing I can add.
Show threadTottsFeb 26

@brianjohnson @Lazarou He's a balding little shill

A Weasle of a man

Show threadBrian JohnsonFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou Totally. He winds me up whenever I hear his voice. And that's before I listen to his words.
Show threadTottsFeb 26

@brianjohnson @Lazarou

You can see him in a few years time doing a fuckubg comb over like a bastard throw back of Bobby Charlton

Xx

Show threadLazarou Monkey Terror ๐Ÿš€๐Ÿ’™๐ŸŒˆFeb 26
@Geri @brianjohnson he lives a lie....
Show threadIndy Richard ๐Ÿด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ณ๓ ฃ๓ ด๓ ฟFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou I believe that Labour not been a party of the left for a while now.
Show threadHashbangperlFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou previously they always went harder at lib dems than tories
Show threadmillennial fulcrumFeb 26

@Geri @Lazarou yes.

that consistent behaviour from UK Labour is evidence, of the incontrovertible kind, that UK Labour is a conservative party aligned with their friends the fascists, and directly opposes your progressive political movement and the party leading that.

Show threadjackFeb 26

@Geri @Lazarou well yes

Labour's core belief is that _they_ are the one-stop shop for delivering political change, their party are the gatekeepers of left-wing political activity

So the success of any other left-wing party is an existential threat to them - as is electoral reform that would effectively eliminate any future Labour majority government. They'd rather lose to the Tories most of the time than be a major partner in a coalition most of the time.

Show threadDashFeb 27
@jackeric @Geri @Lazarou Look at how Brighton Pavilion was always a high priority target for Labour, even when it was the only Green seat.
Show threadHamish The PolarBearFeb 26
@Geri @Lazarou Except Labour in the 21st century are - at best(!) - a centre-right party.
Show threadTottsFeb 27
@hamishtpb @Lazarou oh we get to see you in your avi xxx
Show threadWorld Basement ClassicFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou This is not a profound point. This is how you fight elections under First Past The Post. The Green leaflets spent more time attacking Labour than Reform too.
Show threadTottsFeb 27

@diffrentcolours @Lazarou no, with respect, you are missing the point here.

What naturally SHOULD be happening is a left wing party, or a party that claims to be left wing, should be attacking Reform, a right wing party and not another left wing party

Xx

Show threadWorld Basement ClassicFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou That is what would happen if we had a preferential voting system. We don't, we have a system where parties competing for an overlapping pool of voters are incentivised to attack each other and ignore parties with distant voter pools.
Show threadGrey the earthlingFeb 27
@diffrentcolours @Geri @Lazarou And we have that voting system solely because the Labour party chooses to keep it. The Greens (and Lib Dems and SNP) have been consistently in favour of changing it for years/decades. A couple of years ago even Reform said they were in favour, though this was before they were 1st in the polls.

So yes this is an inevitable consequence of the rules โ€” and Labour chose the rules. The belief that the voting system can't be changed may be a load-bearing part of Labour's perennial tactical vote.
Show threadWorld Basement ClassicFeb 27

@greytheearthling @Geri @Lazarou Yep. We had a chance to eliminate tactical voting in the 2011 Referendum, and half the Labour party decided it was more important to give Nick Clegg a bloody nose than support their own manifesto commitment for preference voting.

If I had money and no job I'd be running a grassroots campaign for electoral reform; ERS are too tied up in the Westminster bubble.

Show threadNeo EhproqueFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou *a* left wing party
Show threadTottsFeb 27
@ehproque @Lazarou it says on the back of their party card, 'The Labour Party is a democratic Socialist party ...."
Show threadNeo EhproqueFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou yeah, well, you know, Buffalo Wings, DPRK, etc.
Show threadTottsFeb 27

@ehproque @Lazarou it is the use of the preposition "is" that is germane, linking the subject to the predicate xx

The Labour Party .... IS .... a socialist party

"Buffalo wings" is just a label

Show threadNeo EhproqueFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou anyway, I think we are in the agreement here that they should update the card to say "was". We've all seen people in the Labour leadership use "socialist" or "leftist" as despectives, unfortunately
Show threadTottsFeb 27
@ehproque @Lazarou yep
Show threadRobert KlaschkaFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou you could say pretty much the same about the Greens, or Your Party attacking the Labour Party though. And I'm sure with Zac riding high its only a matter of time before the Greens attack Your Party too. Simply because one might be more aligned with the views of one or the other doesn't mean an attack isn't an attack.
Show threadTottsFeb 27

@robertklaschka @Lazarou " we are not here to crticise Labour. We are here to replace them," Polanski

The Greens have worked out that the public do not like the politics of opposition

Xx

Show threadmartin lentink ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ“ŽFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou Many, many times this. Just like the Dems in the US seem to be fighting Zohran, AOC and Bernie harder than they are the fascist GOP...
Show threadAndy WoottonFeb 27
@Geri @Lazarou Always. The Right win more General Elections because they care more about winning than they believe in anything. People get quietly taken aside in dark corridors and are expected to go quietly. The Left care so much about tiny details that they fight in public and point out the weaknesses in their colleagues' arguments.
Show threadD2Feb 28

@Geri @Lazarou yup.

see: corporate-donor Demsโ€™ animosity toward Mamdani in the USA.