BuyFromEUSwitch today, choose European
Schmaker@BuyFromEU
Would love to. How can I migrate to new device and buy apps on my phone without #Google?
Remember when #Microsoft got fined about only pushing one browser? Well, we are few years late with android lock-ins
Cy-real ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
⏚@schmaker @BuyFromEU DeGoogled Phones exist ! Try @e_mydata (open source, privacy-enabled smartphone operating system). Works fine with @fairphone / @murena ... and maybe your own phone !
https://tuta.com/fr/blog/degoogled-phones
https://tuta.com/fr/blog/degoogled-phones
@chicraote
I know they are on the market. 2 problems for me:
1. None of them has physical qwerty
2. Lot of apps do not work without gapps
Somehow I still do think #EU can do much more in this area. When IT company can get fined for pushing their own browser (which can be easily replaced), then locked in backup methods should also be penalised
@e_mydata @murena @fairphone @BuyFromEU
Beldarak@schmaker @e_mydata @murena @chicraote @fairphone @BuyFromEU
You could jailbreak your phone. I'm too afraid to do mine but that's a solution.
@Beldarak
I often do, but some phones cannot be hacked and my last one worked horrible with custom fw
@e_mydata @murena @chicraote @fairphone @BuyFromEU
I often do, but some phones cannot be hacked and my last one worked horrible with custom fw
@e_mydata @murena @chicraote @fairphone @BuyFromEU
@schmaker @e_mydata @murena @chicraote @fairphone @BuyFromEU
I'll probably buy a pre-jailed one next time I think
Graydon@chicraote de-googled phones exist, but you still can't buy apps without a google identity and this makes a de-googled phone substantially less useful.
@graydon @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena This is not true : you can install most apps with Aurora Store (Google Play alternative) in anonymous mode. I closed my Google account years ago and I can install almost all the apps available on Google Play... Thank you @e_mydata and #aurora
https://auroraoss.com/
https://auroraoss.com/
@e_mydata @murena @graydon @chicraote @BuyFromEU I'd say you misunderstood. You can install apps, but you can't buy them
@chicraote I own and use a e/OS phone. I am not making theoretical statements.
I did not say "install". I said "buy". You cannot buy squeak without a google identity.
If I want the paid version of Flowx (an excellent weather app with real costs to talk to real servers with the weather data), I can't have it without a google identity. If I want the paid version of RealCal or GitSync, I can't have it without a google identity. Et multi cetera.
@graydon @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena I understand, I wasn't aware of that. We've put too much power in the hands of Google Play and Apple App Store... How can we regain control ?
@chicraote I would prefer a system where there's "postal banking", strictly public banking services, and a phone to be legal for sale must support use of the postal bank for monetary transactions through which means you must be able to make any transaction you can make by any other means for no greater real cost than incurred by other means than using the postal bank.
(It's not obvious that for-profit banking is itself a tolerable situation.)
hiddenalpha@chicraote
I think a good counter-measure would be to publish apps that are strictly available OUTSIDE these app stores. No matter if paid or free.
And if paid, then strictly with non monopoly controlled payment methods.
I think a good counter-measure would be to publish apps that are strictly available OUTSIDE these app stores. No matter if paid or free.
And if paid, then strictly with non monopoly controlled payment methods.
Ray McCarthy@graydon @chicraote @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
Revolut banking & An Post Banking not on Web. Only approved phones running Android or iOS.
Revolut banking & An Post Banking not on Web. Only approved phones running Android or iOS.
@raymaccarthy Yup. And that's difficult to distinguish from a de facto law requiring you to have a duopoly phone.
Which is not an appropriate stance for the public square which really ought to include "banking".
@chicraote @schmaker @BuyFromEU @e_mydata @fairphone @murena
eLearningTechie@chicraote I run a Murena phone because I'm sick of US spy tech, but none of my UK bank apps work on it because banks class the phone as 'insecure'. It's a colossal pain.