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GrutjesWow. Bluesky has just welcomed and verified ICE.
For anyone still thinking Bsky is a real alternative to Twitter: No, it's not.
Mastodon is. Bsky is just X at its infancy.
epicdemiologist@Grutjes welp, so much for bridgy.fed
Clifton RoystonYeah, same.
FediThing 
Yup, just checked, web profile at https://bsky.app/profile/icegov.bsky.social
Verified and everything 😡
Bluesky are collaborators.
Laura "Tegan" Gjovaag ⛈ 🐸@Grutjes
This is why I dumped the bridge. If they're welcoming and verifying accounts from fascists, they're the Nazi bar. I'm not risking anyone here by "federating" with fascists.
This is why I dumped the bridge. If they're welcoming and verifying accounts from fascists, they're the Nazi bar. I'm not risking anyone here by "federating" with fascists.
krejgo@Grutjes perhaps we need to #fediBlock all of BlueSky?
Jargoggles
Lor 💬
umer@Grutjes not sure what this account is tracking, but my understanding of verification on bluesky is that it just uses DNS records to do the verification. I've verified myself on there before as well. It's an automated mechanism if you control your domain.
Big Kumera EnergyVery depressing to see the reaction from Bluesky users on their Reddit, they're basically saying it's fine to host ICE as someone who doesn't want to see it can block it from their own feed.
There's no thought being given at all to the violent dangerous hatred the ICE account will spread to those who don't block it, and the consequent radicalisation.
You can't block someone attacking you on the street, and that's what ICE is trying to make happen.
EDIT: If you don't understand what I mean, please read this https://social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/112581263140051643 about why personal blocking is not enough.
FediThing :progress_pride: (@[email protected])
Imagine a stranger spreads lies about you. They tell everyone you're doing horrible stuff, the worst crimes imaginable. They make videos, articles, livestreams, all pushing the same lies designed to make everyone hate and fear you. Would you "just block them"? What happens when other people don't block them? When other people believe them, follow them, share their lies? What if this turns into real life abuse? If someone attacks you or your family? This is what vulnerable minorities face because of badly-moderated social media: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2022-02-20/facebook-accused-of-letting-activists-incite-ethnic-massacres-with-hate-and-misinformation-by-survivors-in-ethiopia/ 🙏 Please defederate threads.net or ask your server admin to do so. #Threads
Drea@FediThing @Grutjes Giving them a platform of any kind also gives them power. I get that Bluesky wants to remain neutral here but this is not the time. Neutrality just feeds fascism.
I AM BANKSY ☕ / 🗑🔥@drearicheli
They SAY they want to stay neutral, but what they really want is fascism, and to be the social media network that gets the nod from the fascists.
I think you're both right!
Drea's right about the folly of neutrality in the face of fascism, but also xinit is right that Bluesky are sucking up to a fascist goverment.
Guessing Bluesky just want money and power, they see pleasing fascists as a way to get both.
Clair Sliwa New Yorks strongest rat@Grutjes I don’t know if mastodon is either pleroma though wwwwaow
🌸 lily 🏳️⚧️ 
θΔ ⋐ & ∞@[email protected] @Grutjes this is so true
iris ✿ sandwalker@Grutjes wow this is sickening 🤯 but also not entirely surprising
Mastodon Migration
Susanna the Artist 🌻@Grutjes Mods should all defedera… oh wait, they can’t. They’re all on the same server owned by the same company.🫠
The Febrile MuseI blocked on open vibe.
Waleran Bigod@Grutjes Goodbye Blue Sky
mondie
kwarg
K~@Grutjes @kwarg
Hang on a sec. Everyone here is against ICE - for obvious and serious reasons. And Bsky have chosen to not block ICE. But Grutjes, the person you responded to just now is a couple of steps removed from serious wrongdoing here. They didn't denounce bsky for failing to denounce ICE. I think it's fair that you disagree with them about that, but I don't think it deserves such blunt hostility.
Hang on a sec. Everyone here is against ICE - for obvious and serious reasons. And Bsky have chosen to not block ICE. But Grutjes, the person you responded to just now is a couple of steps removed from serious wrongdoing here. They didn't denounce bsky for failing to denounce ICE. I think it's fair that you disagree with them about that, but I don't think it deserves such blunt hostility.
Sorry, it's this centrist attitude that got us here, and I have no patience for it.
@Grutjes Yeah I can see that. I understand where you are coming from. But this isn't Twitter. We generally talk in good faith. When you attack neutral positions with as much vigor as you attack hostile positions - it ... well, it's bad for a variety of reasons that I think you probably don't need me to explain.
Gryficowa@Gryficowa No one here is being neutral to towards fascism. All that happened was that someone said "verifying an account is not the same as endorsing", and was attacked for it. It's neutrality towards a 3rd party's neutrality. Right?
And now, all I'm doing here is trying to advocate for kindness, and you - you personally are saying that I'm a problem on the fediverse because of it. Reflect on that.
@Gryficowa @karadoc @Grutjes I think you all jump too quickly to conclusions... I despise ICE and everything it stands for as much as any of you. I am just saying that I'd prefed to be able to differentiate what is a verified source from an account that might just be a couple of ICE fanboys. I could also be wrong, but we could at the very least have a conversation and discuss about it. I have a different opinion about who's the problem on the fediverse.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have reacted the way I did.
There are two reasons why I got annoyed by your reaction.
The first reason is that my point is not about verifying. It's about Bsky welcoming ICE even after they verified them, knowing it was really them.
The second reason is not your fault, so that's why I shouldn't have reacted like that. Sorry I did.
You were one of many people that reacted as though it is no problem that Bsky allows ICE an account.
I think it's quite stupid not to see why allowing them on Bsky is a problem, but you are responsible for your own words and not for dozens of others.
t3sserakt
FKFTSH@kwarg @Grutjes No, it literally means that they endorse the presence on the site. They are not only aware that ICE has an account, but they are alright with it continuing to have an account.
If they did not endorse ICE using their platform for white supremacist violence, they would ban them. Just as they've banned hundreds - if not thousands - of Palestinians, trans folk, and leftists already.
joene 🏴
Birdo de Todon
"Bluesky is for everyone!"
"Surely you don't mean that…"
EndicottRoad59@Grutjes I just blocked it.
weltschvitz@Grutjes they are exclusively following major news outlets and journalists critically covering DHS and immigration.
For now.
spiegelmama@Grutjes @weltschvitz Making a list of places to visit, probably.
iN8sWoRLdDoubtless they have many accounts already monitoring these sources masquerading as civilians. The only reason for an official government account is to start posting responses / propaganda / disinformation.
Fascists are gonna fascist.
Bluesky is collaborating, that is my point.
CathyBikesBook[MOVING SOON]@Grutjes didn't even bother joining Bluesky when it first came out because it was invite-only.
auntie monkey@Grutjes I don't think that's really ice lol