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Anon OpinLuddite shouldn't be used as a insult anymore. They were right about more than most of us are willing to admit.
Szescstopni@anon_opin @steltenpower I've had "luddite" in my bio for quite a while now.
DressToKILT@anon_opin I definitely consider myself a neo-Luddite.
Stefan Scholl@anon_opin we use Nimrod as an insult. Uncle Tom, too.
Our insults are often just plain wrong. And we use a quantum leap for something big.
argonaut@anon_opin in The Luddites (1970), Malcom Thomis argues that the luddites were not against the machines, but in favour of a better collective contract, and the destruction was the sole effective way to bargain.
https://archive.org/details/ludditesmachineb0000thom/page/13/mode/1up
ReindeR Rustema@argonaut @anon_opin How to attack the machines of Big Tech apart from rerouting around them?
Gerard@rrustema @argonaut @anon_opin I am absolutely not suggesting this (!), but surely they could be attacked in the same way that the luddites did: by physically damaging / destroying data centres and deliveries to them.
I also suggest that the response would be the same: very well funded private armies responding to violence with yet more violence.
Perhaps a different question could be asked: What could the luddites have done differently? What alternatives might have been more successful?
I also suggest that the response would be the same: very well funded private armies responding to violence with yet more violence.
Perhaps a different question could be asked: What could the luddites have done differently? What alternatives might have been more successful?
@GerardThornley @rrustema @anon_opin
all very good questions.
also a good question—to me: if the tsunami is coming your way, how much time you want to spend fighting the wave, and how much getting you and others to a safe place? i definitely would spend more time on the latter, given that tsunamis are usually unstoppable.
@argonaut @GerardThornley @anon_opin Yes, what Victor says. How to make masses of people move away from big tech?
My first thought is that non-US governments should set the example by moving away everything they have and do from big tech. This is something that could be written into law.
Marcus The Board Gamer@anon_opin Luddite should have never been an insult. Anyone who knows what they were fighting for, what they did, and the price they paid wouldn’t use the word as an insult.
Hint: It was not about the machines.
Clueless by Sam@anon_opin the demonisation of the Luddites is egregious capitalist propaganda
Wen@pikesley @fkamiah17 @anon_opin But it is one of those things that has stuck. A bit like lemmings and cliffs.
Isaac Freeman@Wen That's promising though, because you seldom hear people mention suicidal lemmings without someone else immediately informing them that it's a myth.
I think we're approaching something similar with Luddites. The knowledge that they were skilled workers doing coordinated industrial action isn't quite as widespread as the anti-technology-mob myth, but it's growing.
lemgandiWE SHOULD OWN THOSE FRAMES!
HowToPhil (Phillip R)"Phillip, are you a techy or a luddite???!!!"
"Yes."
Woozle Hypertwin@anon_opin I think the main reason they're looked down upon is the belief that they were against new technology in general. They weren't; they just wanted a share in the new wealth it enables.
...which, yeah, is kind of core to what needs to change now. The more jobs are replaced by machines, the more we all need ownership of those machines and what they produce.
🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥@woozle @anon_opin Wealth, yes, but they also saw that the machines were doing a worse job at making the products.
It's honestly the perfect comparison to Ai use
It's honestly the perfect comparison to Ai use
@Mimesatwork Good point!