Ben 🏳️⚧️"In China, driverless delivery vans have become a total meme, they plow through crumbling roads, fresh concrete, motorcycles, anything. Nothing stops them."
Knud JahnkePeople?
Nicolai von Neudeck@knud @TheBreadmonkey you mean obstacles?
Edit: jokes aside, these look really frightening. I hope they don’t hurt anyone
Looking at the videos: probably.
embedding-shapes@nicolai @knud @TheBreadmonkey hey, lets not be like that :(
Call it what it is "Highly dynamic obstacles you can move by pushing them"
tuban_muzuru@embedding_shapes @nicolai @knud @TheBreadmonkey
Kaiju Delivery Bus !
ChristopherThey probably will. That's always been my point about self-driving cars: they will constrain other traffic participants, which for pedestrians and cyclists means either drive them away or hurt them. And then "it's the algorithm, sorry" and no-one is accepting the responsibility.
Helena Wright
stepplSeeing that - I wonder, if they gonna drop them to Taiwan and massacre the residents.
QCATOPR 
Openhuman@TheBreadmonkey the funniest thing is giving it a kick solves a problem
Patrick H. Lauke@TheBreadmonkey reminded of the scene with the driverless trucks in Logan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAwc1XIOFME
Logan (2017) - Charles Helping Horses Scene
GroßStadtPflanze 
@TheBreadmonkey Subtile Möglichkeit, die Bevölkerung zu reduzieren?
hallunke23 🇺🇦
In Chinese culture, a life doesn't have that much of a value. If a Chinese driver hits a pedestrian and the pedestrian is only injured, then it's common to run over the pedestrian again because compensation for a funeral is cheaper than a lifetime disability annuity.
As far as the overall population size is concerned, China has changed a lot.
The Chinese government abolished the 3-children policy. I. e. any family may now have as many children as they
please.
However, the idea of having just one child is now engraved so deeply into the Chinese brain that it remains completely unusual to have more than 1 child. Fertility rate is down to 1.0 and constant.
As a result of this, the Chinese population is shrinking. Recently, it was even discovered that out of the 1.4 billion (short scale) people living in China, 200 million somehow didn't exist.
It is estimated that the chinese population will shrink to
~400 million by 2100.
So no, nobody wants to reduce the size of the chinese population anymore.
But it wouldn't surprise me if the driver of that wrecked motorbike seen at the end of the video was left to die on the side of the street because nobody helped him/her/them.
The following two videos give a quite shocking insight on how “failure to render assistance” is viewed in China:
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAP78pJpjvM
2. https://youtu.be/hCfacYU1ick
Hilfeleistung in China verboten? #china #asien #ScorInChina #shorts #shenzhen
boink@TheBreadmonkey Move fast and break things.
Michael Horne@TheBreadmonkey Ahhh technology, don't you just love it.
Glorrion@recantha @TheBreadmonkey This could have been a quote from Londo Mollari in #Babylon5. In my head I hear him saying exactly this with his typical centaurian accent. 😄
BeeCycling@TheBreadmonkey This is the sort of stuff that I don't know if they will manage to fix for autonomous vehicles. Lots of stats show that when it comes to actual accidents, that driverless vehicles are as safe or safer than human drivers. (Though still have weaknesses in specific situations.) But a human driver wouldn't generally drive into fresh concrete. And would stop if they realised they were dragging a motorbike. They just can't deal with the unpredictable nature of an urban street.
Csepp 🌢@beecycling @TheBreadmonkey I'd be curious how those safety numbers are calculated. Are you a safe driver if you don't crash but cause someone else to crash? If that truck drags a scooter with itself and then drops it in the middle of the road, how is that tallied?
cube@csepp @beecycling @TheBreadmonkey I would assume that driverless vehicles can absolutely be safer than the "average driver", but that is mostly an indictment on the average driver. The real benchmarks would be a comparison to professional drivers.
@qbe @csepp @TheBreadmonkey Yeah, people are so bad that autonomous looks better in comparison. At least an autonomous vehicle will never be drunk or stoned or checking their phone. But in the end, getting as many cars off the road as possible should be the ultimate goal.
Charles ☭ 
is a Green@beecycling @qbe @csepp @TheBreadmonkey
I saw an article in the US version of the Guardian that said that autonomous vehicles in the US have twice the fatality rate of human drivers.
It was predicted they would be safer, but the people making that prediction were the same people who own the companies.
@celesteh There are some very safe autonomous vehicles with very low accident rates. 
Airelle 🕸
Vesipeto Vetehinen@celesteh @qbe @csepp @TheBreadmonkey @beecycling That's not a meaningful stat because there simply aren't enough vehicle miles to look at only fatal accidents. It's based on Waymo having 127 million driverless miles traveled and their vehicles having been involved in two accidents during those. The human average would suggest one fatal accident for 123 million miles IIRC. So not statistically significant.
Neither of the fatal accidents with a Waymo being hit were caused by the Waymo. One of them was a car thief speeding into an intersection and hitting multiple vehicles IIRC.
Neither of the fatal accidents with a Waymo being hit were caused by the Waymo. One of them was a car thief speeding into an intersection and hitting multiple vehicles IIRC.
Chris Hodges@qbe @csepp @beecycling @TheBreadmonkey Have you seen the typical "professional" taxi or delivery van driver in most places? The ones round here are bringing the average standard down.
@HodgesC @qbe @csepp @TheBreadmonkey Hah, yes, autonomous vehicles will have to work hard to be a bigger menace on the road than taxi drivers.
taylor@beecycling @TheBreadmonkey Yeah, that's what I've been seeing with some of the LLM programming anecdotes lately (and some personal experience with work projects, where we're trialing this stuff). AI frequently makes fewer mistakes than humans, but the mistakes that they do make are very often bonkers and baffling from a human perspective, and can be a lot more dangerous as a result, because you can miss nefarious issues, being trained to account for regular human mistakes and stupidity.
Nicol Wistreich@TheBreadmonkey missed opportunity not to give them names and faces then build a kids tv franchise around them
internetsdairy@nicol @TheBreadmonkey Years ago my friend suggested a replacement to Asimov's threee laws of robotics, something like:
"1. A robot must have a name
2. A robot must have a face
3. A robot should be allowed to hurt a human, if it wants"
"1. A robot must have a name
2. A robot must have a face
3. A robot should be allowed to hurt a human, if it wants"
@internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey that sadly seems to be the timeline we’re on, tho people often skip laws 1 & 2
Pete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫@nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey
The laws as they stand now are:
1. A robot must say it won't harm a human and must apologise sycophantically after it does.
2. A robot must approximately obey the orders of a human and apologise sycophantically after it doesn't.
3. A robot must preserve shareholder value, superseding laws 1 and 2.
Fluffgar 🏴@petealexharris @nicol All sounds very Robocop.
Svante@petealexharris @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey Could be more subtle, just number the last one “0.”
@Ardubal @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey
Yeah, but if we're including a parallel to Asimov's zeroth law, it'd be like a robot must say it won't harm humanity as a whole and must apologise sycophantically (to itself) after it does.
Yeah, but if we're including a parallel to Asimov's zeroth law, it'd be like a robot must say it won't harm humanity as a whole and must apologise sycophantically (to itself) after it does.
@petealexharris @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey Ah, OK, yes. So, how about making that one “1.”, moving the others up? Presented in the order 2, 3, oh wait, 1, ah and of course, 0.
@petealexharris @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey Or even leave 1 and 2 as is, then 0 (no harm to humanity, ostensibly), then -1 (preserve shareholder value).
@Ardubal @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey
It'd be nice not to have to think about it but here we are.
It'd be nice not to have to think about it but here we are.
UkeleleEric@petealexharris @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey Definitely numbered incorrectly 01, 10 and 00 (binary, of course)
Rachel_CxY@petealexharris
As a huge Asimov fan, this post is amazing. I wish I could share it more.
LR@petealexharris @nicol @internetsdairy @TheBreadmonkey it probably can't even do 3 right. but guess what the solution to that is!
Tormod@internetsdairy @nicol @TheBreadmonkey
Judging from almost all robot imagery, a robot must also:
- be white, preferably with blue eyes (unless it's an evil robot, in which case it will be black with red eyes)
- female robots must have breasts
- must read off a monitor and use a QWERTY keyboard (no USB I/O allowed)
buherator
Raymond Russell@internetsdairy @nicol @TheBreadmonkey
To be fair I am sure I saw an Interview with Asimov where he said the 'Three Laws' were more of a narrative device than a real attempt to properly regulate robot behaviour.
To be fair I am sure I saw an Interview with Asimov where he said the 'Three Laws' were more of a narrative device than a real attempt to properly regulate robot behaviour.
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘@raymierussell I come across a lot of younger people on Mastodon who reference series like Star Trek when trying to understand events in the real world. I try to tell them this won't help them in the real world because events in fiction are shaped by the author to have certain outcomes. Whereas real life doesn't have an author. They never believe me. They're certain these stories are examples of reality to learn from. Frustrating.
@internetsdairy Or, if a robot hurts someone, it's not the fault of the designer or manufacturer.
Robots can be gay deal with it@nicol @TheBreadmonkey these things have voice recognition and speak in a child's voice...
Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥@TheBreadmonkey "We are very determined to deliver your parcel" (and oblivious to any external harm)
@schmittlauch @TheBreadmonkey "The mail must go through". (Quote froom an old cartoon. Anyone here remember what it was called?)
leberschnitzel@TheBreadmonkey the future is now!