@TheBreadmonkey This is the sort of stuff that I don't know if they will manage to fix for autonomous vehicles. Lots of stats show that when it comes to actual accidents, that driverless vehicles are as safe or safer than human drivers. (Though still have weaknesses in specific situations.) But a human driver wouldn't generally drive into fresh concrete. And would stop if they realised they were dragging a motorbike. They just can't deal with the unpredictable nature of an urban street.

@beecycling @TheBreadmonkey I'd be curious how those safety numbers are calculated. Are you a safe driver if you don't crash but cause someone else to crash? If that truck drags a scooter with itself and then drops it in the middle of the road, how is that tallied?

@csepp @beecycling @TheBreadmonkey I would assume that driverless vehicles can absolutely be safer than the "average driver", but that is mostly an indictment on the average driver. The real benchmarks would be a comparison to professional drivers.

@qbe @csepp @beecycling @TheBreadmonkey Have you seen the typical "professional" taxi or delivery van driver in most places? The ones round here are bringing the average standard down.