fancy_sauceJan 9
x3r0x@arch# 

A German hacker known as "Martha Root" dressed as a pink Power Ranger and deleted a white supremacist dating website live onstage

This happened during the recent CCC conference.

Martha had infiltrated the site, ran her own AI chatbot to extract as much information from users as possible, and downloaded every profile. She also uncovered the owner of the site. She has published all of the data.
#CCC
https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-the-heartbreak-machine-nazis-in-the-echo-chamber
Leak data:
https://okstupid.lol/

The Heartbreak Machine: Nazis in the Echo Chamber

WhiteDate ist eine Plattform weißer Suprematist:innen, die sich an Rassist:innen und Antisemit:innen richtet – und auf veralteter Infrast...

media.ccc.de
Jan 2 at 10:46pmWeb
Show threadDuncan BluesJan 3
@x3r0x not all heroines wear capes. But some do. 😁
Well done! 👏
Show threadAuf Die Plätze HannoverJan 3

@x3r0x @aufdieplaetze Bestes Zitat von #MarthaRoot: »Ich hab einen Bot gebaut zur Demütigung der weißen Herrenrasse!«

#HCKNZS

Show thread🌸 lily 🏳️‍⚧️   θΔ ⋐ & ∞Jan 3
@x3r0x sus:
- "ai chatbot"
- connection just hangs after tls connection is established
- no mention on wikipedia
Show threadMarkAssPandiJan 3
@tauon @x3r0x playing a bit advocate for the devil but "her own ai chatbot" could suggest that its a locally trained and ran model, and for this purpose I feel it would be a fine option, considering how tedious manually doing this could've been
(emphasis on could've, since idk what data there is and stuff)
Show thread🌸 lily 🏳️‍⚧️   θΔ ⋐ & ∞Jan 3
@MarkAssPandi @x3r0x can't you just use document.querySelector(…)? why do you need to use an llm program for that
Show threadMarkAssPandiJan 3
@tauon @x3r0x yeah fair
thats why the comment at the end
idk what data there was so like
bleh
Show threadkimaprJan 3

@tauon @x3r0x @MarkAssPandi you can’t run document.querySelector(...) on a person?

Martha infiltrierte das Portal mit „realistischen“ KI-Chatbots. Die Bots waren so überzeugend, dass sie die Überprüfungen umgingen und sogar als „weiß“ verifiziert worden. Durch die Gespräche und Recherche von digitalen Spuren dieser Gemeinschaft, die sich in Sicherheit wähnte, konnte sie Nutzer identifizieren.

Show threadkimaprJan 3
@tauon @MarkAssPandi @x3r0x (haven’t watched the video. the description implies that AI was used for social engineering though)
Show thread🌸 lily 🏳️‍⚧️   θΔ ⋐ & ∞Jan 3
@[email protected] @x3r0x @MarkAssPandi pretty cool use case imo
Show threadSlatianJan 4

@kimapr @x3r0x @tauon @MarkAssPandi

(haven’t watched the video. the description implies that AI was used for social engineering though)

It was

Show thread🌸 lily 🏳️‍⚧️   θΔ ⋐ & ∞Jan 3
@[email protected] @x3r0x @MarkAssPandi ahhh so it was hugely misworded by most parties involved
i thought it was just used to extract bio information, but it was actually used to hold "conversations" with users? that's actually a pretty cool use case
Show threadDave   Jan 4
@tauon
If I recall correctly, the bot was interacting with other users, automating a dating profile.
@x3r0x @MarkAssPandi
Show threadnicole mikołajczyk 🔜 sesja linuksowa ➡️ piwo ➡️ gpnJan 3
@MarkAssPandi @tauon @x3r0x didn't watch the talk but it mentioned a locally ran model
Show threadsodiboo Jan 3

@MarkAssPandi @tauon @x3r0x

"her own ai chatbot" could suggest that its a locally trained and ran modelno, it's this model. they name it about 12 minutes into the talk. it runs locally but it's not locally trained lol

vicuna

General use chat model based on Llama and Llama 2 with 2K to 16K context sizes.

Show threadMarkAssPandiJan 3
@sodiboo @tauon @x3r0x ah
well
at least got the locally ran model part right
Show threadEniko FoxJan 3
@x3r0x now thats praxis
Show threadLMR 🇦🇹🇪🇺🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏴‍☠️Jan 3
@x3r0x I thought we agreed that doxxing isn’t ok, even if you do it to people you don’t like?
Show threadvurpo 🏳️‍⚧️Jan 3
@_r there's a difference between "people you don't like" and "nazis"
Show threadLMR 🇦🇹🇪🇺🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🏴‍☠️Jan 3
@vurpo I feel like labelling everyone on a platform as a nazi indiscriminately is a bit too absolute of a judgement, no…?
Show threadMeaningfulBitsJan 4

@_r @vurpo

Sounds like something a Nazi would say...

Show threadbwsJan 4
@_r @vurpo do you know the name and self description of the sites in question? By accident you don't end up there and absolutely do not stay there as non nazi.
Show threadcolapunk 🎂Jan 4

@_r @vurpo it's 'white dates'. For white people who only want to date white people. Cause they think white people are better.

I think i've seen people in brown shirts wearing a small mustache and pointing their right arm at 45 degrees who are less convincingly nazi then the users of white dates.

Show threadluna system Jan 3
@[email protected] @x3r0x unfortunately in the hellscape of 2026, that line is no longer so finely drawn.
Show threadGregJan 4
@_r @x3r0x I've never wished a man doxxed, but I have read some documents with great pleasure
Show threadAlexJan 3
@x3r0x this is peak hacker shenanigans.
Show threadɥʇ⌬ɹıı!qJan 3
@x3r0x well, let's just hope the racists are really that stupid and aren't motivated and creative enough to dox back…
Show threadThe Orange ThemeJan 3
@x3r0x Baiting and exposing Nazis is, admittedly, a decent use case for LLMs, I have to say. I will carve out a very tiny, narrow exception in my anti-AI absolutism for this.
Show threadBornachJan 3
@theorangetheme @x3r0x
I support deploying LLM chatbots in scambaiting as well
https://youtu.be/ZDpo_o7dR8c
I Built a Bot Army that Scams Scammers

YouTube
Show threadmirabilosJan 4
@x3r0x fucking AI shit tho
Show threadmirabilosJan 4
@x3r0x this just lost her most of my being impressed I had when I first read about it
Show threadTheNovemberFella ✊🏳️‍🌈 🇺🇦☸️🛰️🚀Jan 4
@x3r0x This is wonderful ☺️
Show threadleckseJan 4

@x3r0x It’s hilarious that so many profiles claim to have a remarkably high IQ:

80-99: 82
100-119: 735
120-139: 1612
140-159: 713
160-179: 164
over 180: 113

If you achieve a score of 180, you can be sure of being the most intelligent person in a group of 20 million peers. Now multiply that by 113.

Show thread0x575446, Fifth ColumnistJan 4
@leckse @x3r0x I spent like 8 hours today going through looking for email and phone number redactions that got missed, then signing them up for hundreds of email lists and\or SMS alerts. It's hilarious to me that someone claiming a 160 IQ would think posting "name at sneaky dot com" anywhere online is a good idea. And the irony is that those are the ones the (presumably) regex missed when it was redacted.
Show threadKoljaJan 4
@x3r0x data can be also found on https://ddosecrets.com/article/whiteleaks
WhiteLeaks - Distributed Denial of Secrets

Files and user information from the white supremacist websites WhiteDate (a white supremacist dating site), WhiteChild (a white supremacist site focused on family and ancestry), and WhiteDeal (a white…

Show threadKevin RussellJan 4

@x3r0x

Oh my. Oh my. I once enjoyed an article describing a building as the new ugliest thing in existence, beating out spit on a grate. Heralded as a new standard.

This is that. Even if its the opposite, a new standard in fighting for decency. My hat is not just off but lost, and my jaw dropped and rolling.

What a delight, how deserving of praise.
I have no envy for her glory, but imagine how chuffed, the anticipation for the reveal.

Marvellous.

#eu

Show threadMaxJan 4

thats the account on mastodon @back2theRoot

@x3r0x

Show threadDante Vortex 💾Jan 4

@x3r0x

It is of course obvious that chaotic evil and chaotic good are separated by a fine line.

People applaud this, some race purist website who wished to isolate himself from "brown people" gets destroyed because the vigilantes won't allow it.

But where do you draw the line on who gets to exist and who doesn't?

Your existence will soon rely on if a hacker agrees with you or not.

One wrong word, deleted, one wrong thought, purged.

And everybody claps like a happy seal when it happens?

Show threadTimlahJan 4

@Dantevortex

With all due respect, this has been happening for a very long time.

We've seen hackers of all persuasions hacking for decades now. Silencing people, scraping data, shutting down servers.

Sometimes they do it for what some might consider good, sometimes for what those same people might consider evil.

But there's a big difference between a hack against a website pushing harmful ideology and someone saying a bad word or publishing a bad thought.

Show threadDante Vortex 💾Jan 4

@timlah

These racists having a dating site allowing only the people of their selected race is very racist. I agree.

But which law are they breaking?
They're a private establishment who hate non white people. It's not against the law.

The thing is, we shouldn't applaud vigilantism.

This hacker is a criminal. We shouldn't celebrate whenever a criminal is a successful at being a criminal.

If making websites that exclude people should be banned, we have to ban a LOT of websites.

Show threadTimlahJan 4

@Dantevortex

All black-hat hacking is illegal, regardless of morality/intent. Most hackers know this. However, vigilantes operate outside the law for a cause (rightly or wrongly). But who would report this?

If we focus just on law, then we might want to consider whether or not the websites actions are considered criminal as well.

In Europe (UK for me), this site tends to fall under hate speech, which is criminal (discrimination based on protected characteristics). At least here in the UK it would fall under the Equality Act 2010, I believe. Other countries have various laws on this too.

If a website was promoting a new cheese and a hacker decided they didn't like said cheese and took that website down, then no laws were broken by the host and then it's purely criminal damage.

I suppose some questions here:
Are current laws strong enough on those pushing illegal content?
Who reports the black-hat hacking activity?
Will they *also* report the illegal content?

These are some interesting points, thanks ❤️

Show threadDante Vortex 💾Jan 4

@timlah

Websites that promote or sell things that are illegal, like drugs, child porn, or whatever is by law forbidden will be seized by authorities fairly quickly.

Racism by definition is illegal when used against a person.

So if a website targets a race and does harm to them, then yes, illegal.
But if it's a website that wants to avoid a race, then no harm to them is made. They aren't invited, but there's also nothing there they are missing out on.

The fine line of justice we balance on.

Show threadRihards OlupsJan 13
@Dantevortex @timlah Could this be summarised as "nazis are OK while they don't literally shoot people"?
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemJan 4

@Dantevortex @timlah

> complains about existence being conditional unless someone approves of you

>> asks what law your breaking

lmfao laws entire thing is deciding who does and doesn't get to exist, only your biggest issue isn't some hacker coming along and pwning your site, its armed guys with guns turning up and abducting you and throwing you into a torture chamber for 20 years or some shit;

(and then it is applauded and legitimized, and all that happens to those victimized by it, are dismissed as they 'deserve it', like your saying, but its fine becuase they called them a 'criminal' first and the ones doing it are random 'law enforcement' instead of a random hacker; right..?)

> The thing is, we shouldn't applaud vigilantism.

why not? it's harm that is the government wouldnt give a shit about; they'd say some crap about it being 'free speech' .. and is resolved in a much better than it would be if the 'law' did it.

> We shouldn't celebrate criminals

see thats the thing; criminals dont exist <3

Show threadDante Vortex 💾Jan 5

@Li @timlah

- why not?

WHy, because people who murder others over feelings are bad, we don't need the Wild West back where you get killed if you blinked weird.

- criminals dont exist
- <3

That's a yikes...

Show threadLaukidhJan 5
@Dantevortex @x3r0x
Show threadLi ~ Crystal SystemJan 5
@Laukidh @Dantevortex @x3r0x i mean the thing is your right, not everyone i disagree with is a nazi, but it also just so happens i tend to 'disagree with' nazis
Show threadAriaflameJan 5
@Dantevortex @x3r0x Perhaps the sites should have better security?
Show threadDante Vortex 💾Jan 5

@ariaflame @x3r0x

Yes, that would help.

Show threadKal FeherJan 4
@x3r0x my favourite part of this, is that it was all made possible via the super secret 'download-all-users/' url.
😀
Show threadTobyJan 4
@x3r0x Save Martha.
Show threadKateJan 4
@x3r0x the best part of this may be the okstupid domain
Show threadDHeadshot's AltJan 4
@x3r0x
Data section appears blank anyway?
Show threadAlex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UKJan 5

@ddlyh @x3r0x

it is back now. Surprisingly few round my way - considering the amount of Reform supporters, either they lack the tech skills to even use this website, were too paranoid to trust it in the first place or don't have any issues finding partners (as Brits tend to be more devious and often succesfully lie to their partners about the more extreme aspects of their political views)

Show threadEhay2kJan 4

@x3r0x

This is the most badass thing, and one we need right now!

Show threadJohnny ThanJan 4
@x3r0x And she is in the Fediverse: @back2theRoot
Show threadAstra Meow 🏳️‍🌈Jan 6
@x3r0x @back2theRoot now do kiwifarms
Show threadsqueakyearsJan 7
@x3r0x
QUEEN!