J. Martin
Laura Manach 
Twenty streets of Paris before and after in one minute
Michel PatriceC'est plus beau, sûrement moins chaud et on peut avoir des villes avec moins de voitures.
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Mikko
08/15 R.I.P. Natenom🖤Wonderful!
Urs G.
wortezimmer@cmconseils
What we will never ever get in Germany 😭
What we will never ever get in Germany 😭
Cluster Fcku@wortezimmer @cmconseils no but remember this is Paris not France. Like Düsseldorf (Rheinufer) is not Germany. Many cities go through these transformations and it's not an international social media share. Your observation and disappointment shows how pervasive car culture still is throughout all cities, and it won't go away on its own. Citizens need to keep pushing for it, voting for it, and sharing the positive benefits.
@clusterfcku
Obviously you've no clue what I'm talking about. But thank you for explaining the big confusing world to me, anyway.
Menno@wortezimmer @clusterfcku @cmconseils
Well, explain it to us. Why can't it happen? What makes Germany different?
I was totally surprised that Paris had managed to change so substantiality when we were there last year.
I haven't been to Berlin in a long while, but my impression was that they too were on their way to make the city more livable, with less space for cars.
Mind you, not all of Paris is now green and car free, but they've done a lot.
Well, explain it to us. Why can't it happen? What makes Germany different?
I was totally surprised that Paris had managed to change so substantiality when we were there last year.
I haven't been to Berlin in a long while, but my impression was that they too were on their way to make the city more livable, with less space for cars.
Mind you, not all of Paris is now green and car free, but they've done a lot.
@MennoWolff
Since you mention Berlin: Berlin has stopped building planned cycle infrastructure, has opened a street for cars again and removes cycle infrastructure in other streets as well.
@MennoWolff
The automotive lobby is very strong in Germany, and I don't see us ever winning against them. That's also why Germany is fighting for combustion engines in the EU.
Change is happening here and there, but never something really groundbreaking and gamechanging like in Paris.
Fabian Kern 
@wortezimmer @MennoWolff @clusterfcku @cmconseils #Paris is not #France as #Freiburg is not #Germany but still some impressions from here:
https://www.freiburg.de/pb/2314513.html
https://www.freiburg.de/pb/2314513.html
Grünoasen
Mehr Grün, mehr Schatten, eine deutlich bessere Aufenthaltsqualität – und das überall in Freiburg: Mit der Kampagne „Freiburger Grünoasen“ werden in den nächsten Jahren zentrale Plätze und öffentliche Räume in Freiburg umgestaltet, verschönert und modernisiert. Der Startschuss fiel bereits im November 2024 im Rieselfeld am Maria-von-Rudloff-Platz. 2025 wird dann vor allem die Freiburger Innenstadt in den Blick genommen.
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The automotive lobby is also very strong in the country that gives the world Citroën, Peugeot, and Renault.
(I'm not saying that I have an answer for Germany because I don't)
joe
Shura@cmconseils Where is all those cars?
Gabriel Pettier@shura @cmconseils probably in underground parkings that were under used.
Peter Hilgenfeld@pethil @shura @cmconseils i didn't think too many people would let go of their car, but i can find a source for -20% ownership for paris itself between 1999 and 2015 and hints the trend continued steadily, so you might be right.
@tshirtman @shura @cmconseils you know I have no idea actually. I'm just hoping the goal would be to just get rid of most of these cars.
@pethil @shura @cmconseils I would hope so too, by i was not that optimistic, i was pretty surprised to see that there was a significant downward trend even before the current wave of changes that made it a lot easier.
I guess I left Paris at exactly the wrong time (2020 😆). Biking there before that was pretty challenging.
Peter Bindels@shura @cmconseils When all your neighbors no longer use cars you don't need one to defend yourself either. And when all the cars are gone, the public transport can actually make its timetables too.
Fedir Ustynov@Peter Bindels And someone might be able to attack you on the bus.
Andre Geißler
kikebenlloch
Siegfried.
Jonny@shura @cmconseils In Hell where rhey belog, hopefully.
Verschijning@cmconseils i actually was in Paris last week. It's amazing how putting cyclist/pedestrians first changes a city for the good.
Matthew Newell@cmconseils amazing. Really important for me to see how transformative this is. Thank you
biddy_sue 🏳️🌈@cmconseils but but but PARKING
@biddy_sue @cmconseils Right? I mean, its outrageous! 😆
Carlos SolísPros: the place looks wonderful and peaceful, much lower carbon emissions
Cons: people with problems walking more than a small distance will absolutely hate this setup - at least some of the streets seem to make concessions for public transportation, fortunately
Cons: people with problems walking more than a small distance will absolutely hate this setup - at least some of the streets seem to make concessions for public transportation, fortunately
Breizh@csolisr @cmconseils Yeah, it was better when they had to walk on the road or on a shitty thin sidewalk to get to the next bus stop. ’cause lot of these people can’t drive either, and taking a taxi is expensive.
Also, you can ride a bike, a trike, a wheelchair or a mobility scooter easily now, unlike the previous sidewalks.
So I think that those people are probably in a better situation now. And it’s not a whole neighborhood that become car-free generally, so the next street can still have taxis (and some example in the video still have a lane for cars). And emergency vehicles are still allowed everywhere (and it’s often easier to deal with pedestrians than with cars, especially with congestion and bad parking).
Who else benefits from the Dutch cycling infrastructure
Vee@csolisr 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 exactly. Making Paris for walkers only excludes all the elderly or people with mobility issues, those who cannot take the subway. No one thought of that. Tough.
David Mitchell 
Imagine yourself on a mobility scooter, or using a walker in one of the “before” pictures. The “before” was most definitely *not* some kind of panacea for people with mobility issues… on the contrary they look like hell to deal with.
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr You're assuming they're on foot. People with mobility issues needs cars to get around. They cannot walk for example to the "closest" bus/Metro stop cuz it's too far for them. Examples abound. Now, th enter of the city is ONLY accessible for people who can walk for long-ish distances. Nothing has been done to accommodate them (or the elderly same thing). Not to mention that they didn't increase/improve pubic transportation and or public parking.
A person with a scooter is not ‘on foot’.
With two exceptions, as far as I can see every ‘after’ has room for cars, even parking, and now that everyone else is out of the way, it seems there’s plenty of room for anyone who needs a car to accommodate them.
I’m curious; are you are speaking from experience as a person with mobility issues who lives or travels through one of these areas?
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr I am.
I am into my workday so unlikely to reply for a bit, but I am really interested in hearing about how you neighbourhoods have changed and specifically how that impacts your mobility and needs.
@VeroniqueB99 Hi! I don't know about the situation in other cities, but in northern Italy and south of France, where I've been living for most of my life, it doesn't look like street parkings solve any problem for people with disabilities: you almost never find a free spot close to where you want to go, and have to walk way father than you would for getting to the closest public transport stop. Reserved parkings for people with disabilities do exist, but they aren't so frequent.
@VeroniqueB99 I think that people with disabilities need parkings reserved for them, not random free street parkings that will be taken by people who can walk and take public transport.
The thing that makes least sense IMHO is free parkings reserved for residents: an incentive to own a car, and valuable city space which will often be wasted on cars that won't move for weeks. I have that privilege, and I find it completely unfair.
Josh@VeroniqueB99
I think you're making an assumption that people with mobility impairment only want to get into a car, and nothing else. That they don't want to just pop out to the shop down the road, or anything else someone who can walk easily would want to do. My mum goes to the cafe and the shops using her mobility scooter, not the car. To use the car would mean my dad operating the special lifting seat to get in and out, and driving her.
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr
I think you're making an assumption that people with mobility impairment only want to get into a car, and nothing else. That they don't want to just pop out to the shop down the road, or anything else someone who can walk easily would want to do. My mum goes to the cafe and the shops using her mobility scooter, not the car. To use the car would mean my dad operating the special lifting seat to get in and out, and driving her.
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr
Not all people have the same types of mobility issues. Some can actually walk albeit shorter distances. So they have to use their car for longer distances is all.
@VeroniqueB99
My parents do have a car. I just don't think generally car-free streets like those shown make the occasional car impossible. I mean if my parents could live there and go down the road a bit to get to their car - and in general fewer people using cars in the area - they'd still be much better off than in the 'before' pictures. It's fair to say I'm just speaking from my own experience with my parents and a UK town but nevertheless!
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr
My parents do have a car. I just don't think generally car-free streets like those shown make the occasional car impossible. I mean if my parents could live there and go down the road a bit to get to their car - and in general fewer people using cars in the area - they'd still be much better off than in the 'before' pictures. It's fair to say I'm just speaking from my own experience with my parents and a UK town but nevertheless!
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr
ipofanes@VeroniqueB99 @krnlg @DavidM_yeg @csolisr good on you to realize that not all mobility issues are alike. Maybe you would like to share this idea with people on this thread that people with mobility issues need cars to get around.
@ipofanes @krnlg @DavidM_yeg @csolisr
For ex. people on crutches...they can walk a few feet but cannot handle public transp. at all. Pedestrian streets such as the ones pictured don't help them. Paris is the worst to function with anything with wheels, stroller etc, but crutches or anything resembling a problem with walking that isn't necessarily a wheelchair...🙄 so, what does someone with crutches (so limited in the number of feet they can walk) do unless they have access to a parking lot?
For ex. people on crutches...they can walk a few feet but cannot handle public transp. at all. Pedestrian streets such as the ones pictured don't help them. Paris is the worst to function with anything with wheels, stroller etc, but crutches or anything resembling a problem with walking that isn't necessarily a wheelchair...🙄 so, what does someone with crutches (so limited in the number of feet they can walk) do unless they have access to a parking lot?
I’m not sure I understand how the ‘before’ streets would have been better for someone on crutches… they would be unlikely to secure a parking spot very close anyway? Someone who doesn’t have more than a few meters of independent locomotion really can’t use a car on their own either, or am I missing something? 🤷♂️
@VeroniqueB99 @csolisr @krnlg @ipofanes
Because the streets that had parking were very crowded… it seems unlikely they would be able to secure a spot right outside their destination.
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr @krnlg @ipofanes
Wrong (in their case). But we're not going to solve that issue here especially since 90% of people who commented don't live in it.
@krnlg @ipofanes @VeroniqueB99 @csolisr
I’m confused, which case is that? How would someone be certain of finding a parking spot just outside their door rather than a block away?
@csolisr @krnlg @ipofanes @VeroniqueB99
That I don’t live in it is part of why I would like to understand better…
lgsp@VeroniqueB99 @DavidM_yeg @csolisr
> People with mobility issues needs cars to get around.
This is your assumption. Take a look at this
