Mastodawn

Twenty streets of Paris before and after in one minute

Pros: the place looks wonderful and peaceful, much lower carbon emissions
Cons: people with problems walking more than a small distance will absolutely hate this setup - at least some of the streets seem to make concessions for public transportation, fortunately

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Vee Nov 26

@csolisr 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 exactly. Making Paris for walkers only excludes all the elderly or people with mobility issues, those who cannot take the subway. No one thought of that. Tough.

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David Mitchell

Nov 26

@VeroniqueB99 @csolisr

Imagine yourself on a mobility scooter, or using a walker in one of the “before” pictures. The “before” was most definitely *not* some kind of panacea for people with mobility issues… on the contrary they look like hell to deal with.

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Vee Nov 26

@DavidM_yeg @csolisr You're assuming they're on foot. People with mobility issues needs cars to get around. They cannot walk for example to the "closest" bus/Metro stop cuz it's too far for them. Examples abound. Now, th enter of the city is ONLY accessible for people who can walk for long-ish distances. Nothing has been done to accommodate them (or the elderly same thing). Not to mention that they didn't increase/improve pubic transportation and or public parking.

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Josh Nov 26

@VeroniqueB99
I think you're making an assumption that people with mobility impairment only want to get into a car, and nothing else. That they don't want to just pop out to the shop down the road, or anything else someone who can walk easily would want to do. My mum goes to the cafe and the shops using her mobility scooter, not the car. To use the car would mean my dad operating the special lifting seat to get in and out, and driving her.
@DavidM_yeg @csolisr

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Vee Nov 26

@krnlg @DavidM_yeg @csolisr

Not all people have the same types of mobility issues. Some can actually walk albeit shorter distances. So they have to use their car for longer distances is all.

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ipofanes Dec 1

@VeroniqueB99 @krnlg @DavidM_yeg @csolisr good on you to realize that not all mobility issues are alike. Maybe you would like to share this idea with people on this thread that people with mobility issues need cars to get around.

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Vee Dec 1

@ipofanes @krnlg @DavidM_yeg @csolisr
For ex. people on crutches...they can walk a few feet but cannot handle public transp. at all. Pedestrian streets such as the ones pictured don't help them. Paris is the worst to function with anything with wheels, stroller etc, but crutches or anything resembling a problem with walking that isn't necessarily a wheelchair...🙄 so, what does someone with crutches (so limited in the number of feet they can walk) do unless they have access to a parking lot?

I’m not sure I understand how the ‘before’ streets would have been better for someone on crutches… they would be unlikely to secure a parking spot very close anyway? Someone who doesn’t have more than a few meters of independent locomotion really can’t use a car on their own either, or am I missing something? 🤷‍♂️

@ipofanes @csolisr