i see an argument that mastodon.social is needed for onboarding

so, let’s do something very scientific: which fedi instance did you start with?

(boost for bigger sample)

(mastodon forks count as mastodon)

edit: can’t believe i have FAQs for a poll but here you go:

  • “what counts as big?” → use your subjective judgement. the “scientific” part is a recurring joke in polls here so don’t worry too much about it. here are some suggested criteria, but feel free to use your own:
    • if it needs a team to moderate, it’s big
    • if the local timeline is always busy, it’s big
    • if the monthly active users are in thousands, definitely big
  • “what does ‘current instance’ mean?” → it means the one you started with is the one you’re currently on
  • “what if more than one options apply?” → if you starts on mastodon.social or if you self-host, select the respective options. if both of those apply, then you must be gargron, in which case please choose whichever option you want.
  • “does managed hosting like masto.host count as self-host?” → i’d say yes, but if you feel like it doesn’t, then don’t count it.
  • “if i join it but immediately switch to another, which one should be the answer?” → whichever one makes you think “so this is fedi, it’s worth a try/worth staying on”
  • if you already voted but with a different assumption from what said above → don’t worry about it
mastodon.social
some big mastodon server
some other mastodon server
some non-mastodon server
current instance (mastodon)
current instance (not mastodon)
self-hosted instance
Poll ends at .
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@xarvos tbh i did consider that – exactly because self-hosting seemed easier than picking an instance (and i did end up picking wrong and having to self host a couple months later anyway)
@virtulis @xarvos how is self-hosting fedi btw? seems nice but I've heard it's a lot of work getting federation to happen
@AVincentInSpace @xarvos not sure what you mean exactly but federation happens just fine for whoever you follow or are followed by. Discovery of anything else is non-existent though but it's not as annoying as it might seem. And at least Mastodon finally can fetch all replies to a post without kludges, so yeah I'd say self-hosting is a perfectly fine option (if you do otherwise have general server admin experience, of course)
@xarvos I was on social I think for all of 15 minutes or so, which I don't count. The performance was so bad in the great migration of November 2022, I jumped headfirst into my own self-hosted instance. I am not a normal person by any stretch of the imagination when it comes to computer-touching, however. I suspect the other first-time self-hosters are the same level of weirdo as me. I'd like to meet them... or avoid them at all costs. 😅
@xarvos I joined in 2017, there weren't many instances at that time.
@xarvos if you count hosting services like masto.host it's not that weird for people that want more control over their online presence.
@xarvos i chose that option, but tbh, it wasn't me doing the hosting at the time. this was when i was first getting into IT, and some people i knew wanted to do some project together. they were already on diaspora and knew gnu social, and mastodon was now getting a lot of attention in tech blogs and such. so it was decided that setting up this new software could be a fun project to work together on something, and i decided to join since i wanted to get into IT more. i had an account on diaspora first, but from my pov those have mostly been separate networks (even if there's software connecting to both), so i'm not counting that. although if one really wants to nitpick, i first made an account on another masto instance just to see federation work from that instance to the one we had set up. but besides sending some message to someone as a test, i don't thing i ever used that account again.

@xarvos Was literally the reason why I joined.
I thought about just trying it and later moving to my own setup, but then joining just didn’t seem as appealing  

So this instance has now existed since december 2022. Top 2 things I run for myself :3

@[email protected] making a commitment to a small instance is hard when you dont know individual instances' reputations so the "just rely on yourself lole" approach makes sense

also the whole diving into the deep end
@xarvos Yes, why? I'm an infrastructure guy and I self-host all I can.
@xarvos I was so stressed trying to decide which to join that I just self-hosted my own XD
@xarvos It seemed like a good idea at the time. 🤷‍♀️ 😆
@[email protected] Technically, I had an account on an Akkoma instance first, so I polled as "some non-Mastodon server." But I didn't use that account for anything but...having it exist, while I read some stuff. I don't think I ever even followed anyone but Jeff Moss. I didn't even post an introduction until several months later when I set up my personal instance.
@xarvos
I did set up my first account on dot-social, but soon found tech.lgbt and set up a new account there. This was while migration was broken on the release version of Masto, so I just walked away from the original account.
@xarvos mastidon.social, but it was 2017. Things have changed a lot since then.
@johnefrancis did joinmastodon.org exist back then?
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@xarvos @wendynather I started on infosec.exchange and have never moved
@xarvos About a year prior to joining mastodon.social, I tried to join another instance, but the sign-up process never completed. That’s why I chose the big one when I tried again.
@gdinwiddie  i’ve always assumed people only move out
@xarvos I joined during the 2022 eXodus, and because I had a Portuguese keyboard installed I think was I directed to mastodon.world  
@xarvos pour one out for mastodon.lol

@xarvos mastodon social

Because I'm here since 2017
And I just want to be chill

@Em0nM4stodon @xarvos Running a poll for 12 months?! 😂 I got my bearings on mastodon.social and then migrated to a self-hosted setup (which is where I still am, 3y later).
@jochie @Em0nM4stodon well i would run it for 420 days if i could 

@xarvos @Em0nM4stodon 💨 Haha. It is a nice reminder that the limitations on polls that I'm accustomed to on Mastodon are largely arbitrary.

When we get a notification in 12 months, a lot of us are going to go "Huh, I don't remember answering this poll, at all" 🤣

@xarvos I reckon that its true, and with ongoing improvements to account migration this shouldn't be a problem. Getting people in and giving them a great experience is more important than leveling out the number of users per server.
@theraspb @xarvos if it was painless to swap I'd probably try a few different ones but I'm comfy where I am so the effort is too much!
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misskey looks so much cooler than mastodon, it should be the first thing a newbie sees.
@mansalia and all the features! alas, the UI seems very slow and i can’t bear it

@xarvos I wanted to join mastodon.social on Nov 2022, but the registration was closed. But I have registered on some other Mastodon server before, so I guess it was that.

(I eventually migrated to a self-hosted non-Mastodon instance).

@xarvos I see a lot of hate for mastodon.social, and I get some of it for using it as my primary server. When I started in 2018, I got accounts on four servers. Three were gone within a year, but m.s kept on trucking.
@smellsofbikes gotta admit that gargron and his team are great at managing that
@xarvos
I started on Mastodon.social circa 2017 but pretty quickly moved to mastodon.technology, then bigshoulders.city once .technology shut down
@xarvos OStatus, identi.ca.

@mdhughes @xarvos Ha ha me too I guess.

Though if we're translating from Laconica to Mastodon, doesn't identi.ca==mastodon.social 🤔

@evan

@jerclarke @xarvos @[email protected] identi.ca became pump.io, both are gone now it seems?

I don't know what happened to OStatus, there's some GNU stuff still up but I think no servers?

@xarvos @evan I mean…
@squinky can you elaborate?

@xarvos yeah, I know a lot, like, a _lot_ of people who came to Mastodon and bounced out of it because the multiple server thing was more than they wanted to have to bother thinking about.

So your sample here is going to be from people who didn’t leave for whatever reason, so its applicability to questions about the efficacy of onboarding to the fediverse for new users is skewed to only people who stuck around.

I see a lot of different services’ development plans catering to the existing audience only and not really taking into consideration what would help it appeal to more people, or indeed whether it’s valuable to try appealing to a broader audience in the first place.

So we’re in this feedback loop that self-perpetuates how esoteric this place is

@squinky oh yea i see, that’s true
@xarvos I should add that I’m saying all this without having a solution to the problem. I just think it’s important to know the bias in the data, that’s all.

@xarvos I was a bit confused by the "current instance". If it's asking if I'm still on my first instance, then that's true.

I'm on hachyderm.io. I don't know if it counts a large, but I didn't think it's small, so I voted for the other large instance option.

@DaleHagglund yea, the definition of “big” is intentionally left ambiguous

though i realized some instances are using a mod that doesn’t have a local timeline (e.g. librem.one), so people on there wouldn’t have a sense if it’s big or small

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@xarvos Started on a relatively big furry instance (as furry instances go), but nowhere near as big as the Big Big Instances. We selfhost now.
@xarvos mastodon.social because when I left Twitter in 2022 this was the only instance I knew of. after that, I stopped using it for half a year because I didn't understand how fedi worked. in mid-2023, I moved to a calckey instance and use it until mid-2024, then I started self-hosted my own fedi instances and experimented with numerous Fedi software options. finally I chose mitra to create this instance and don't think switching again.
@xarvos I've selfhosted gotosocial, pleroma, akkoma, iceshrimp.net, and mitra. I dislike heavyweight software, so I haven't attempted to selfhost mastodon or misskey.
@xarvos hmm I almost forgot about wafrn. I've hosted it too.
@xarvos Started on dot-social in about 2019 or something? Just name-sitting to start with. Then the great Xitter emigration happened, and mutterings about dot-social not being the best place & would get unstable because too many people were joining it, so I looked at other instances where some friends were, & picked my current one.
@xarvos once again I've picked the most unpopular option  technically Diaspora but really GNUsocial
@xarvos mstdn.social (12K active) → mastodon.art (35K active) → mastodon.gamedev.place (4.7K active)
@xarvos It’s not very scientific when you have overlapping categories and radio buttons for the choices, I’d say. 😏
@xarvos I didn't know if my instance was "big" or not (I still don't!), so I didn't really know how to answer.
@xarvos I started on pdx.social and have never moved, as far as I remember.
@xarvos started on librem.one because I was briefly interested in Purism hardware, noped out when I discovered they somehow federated with Gab
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@xarvos I joined mastodon.social 3 years ago and remember my confusion about choosing an instance. And, TBH, I still have no clue about what would be different on another instance.
@xarvos Still on mastodon.social, tho I like the option to move into a different instance whenever I want.
@xarvos an after that I moved to another instance and when that instance went under I went back to social.