Stepping down as Framework Linux Community Ambassadors

We are Tommi and Fraxinas, Framework Linux Community Ambassadors since September 2024.

We apprehensively followed the developments and the debate concerning Framework’s endorsement and support of Omarchy. We have no direct experience with this Linux distribution, its community, nor with the political environment around it. We did not speak up before now because learning about all of it and keeping up with all the commentary would have been a full-time job. Unfortunately we do not have the time to read every single comment on the dedicated forum thread.

Despite our admittedly limited and superficial understanding of this matter, we believe we have witnessed and read enough to make an informed decision and take a clear position.

The statements from Framework and from Nirav Patel (its CEO) made it very clear for us that Framework is not a company we feel represented by any more, and surely not a company that we want to represent as Ambassadors.

To be frank, it is not even necessary to dive into the petty drama about the recent events in order to provide an explanation of our decision. We are deeply disappointed by a company that is self-proclaimed as the resistance of the tech industry, the good David that intends to stand against the big tech Goliaths that are devouring it. Framework’s behaviour brought to surface an embarrassing and absurd inability to take an explicitly political position, blinded by the Western patriarchal narrative that technology in itself is not political. By trying to keep everyone happy (or at least not to make anyone mad) inside a fictitious “big tent”, the company proved to be no better than any of its Silicon Valley peers, dismissing comments about DHH, and comments about fascism and racism as not strictly related to the main mission.

We were proud to be ambassadors because we believed that Framework not only made products that empowered those who purchase them to fully own and repair their devices, but most importantly because we wrongly expected that this would imply changing the paradigm and the narrative about tech companies altogether.

We were offered the possibility of having a 1:1 conversation with Nirav Patel. We did not take it, because it is self-evident that our opinions are in contrast with the statements that he already made. Too bad, Framework is going to lose much more business than it would have if it simply acknowledged a mistake, took a deep inward look, and questioned its own values and stance.

In a world that is burning, thorn by conflict and greed, it is not enough to be “less evil”, to be radical only in some cases, and be moderate in others. We wanted to be ambassadors of a company that does not see fascism and proprietary software as two distant topics, but that recognised the entanglement of politics and technology, of capitalism and authoritarianism. It seems that this is not the case.

Farewell, Framework. We will miss the shining brave idea we had of you.

@tommi and @fraxinas

The following statement was cross-posted on Framework’s Community Forum.

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To make this hard choice, I found it enlightening and decisive to read The Californian Ideology (1995) by Richard Barbrook and Andy Cameron.

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@tommi @wingo @fraxinas I appreciate the stand, but why turn down the opportunity to try and change the CEO's mind?
@jcape @wingo @fraxinas I did consider it, but I have a lot going on right now. I would have done it only for performative reasons and to tell myself “wow, you had a private conversation with Framework’s CEO!” not to actually try to change things, because I would have had no energy and no time to prepare as I should have.
@tommi @jcape @wingo @fraxinas That's OK. The "can't be bothered to talk with an unrepentant CEO" attitude is a message all on its own.
@targetdrone
💯 come on people, we have to talk to each other through conflict. That's the work. The statements and internet comments are not the work. I'm not defending Framework, what Nirav did was a huge misstep. That will certainly not be corrected if people refuse to talk to him directly about how they are affected.
@tommi @jcape @wingo @fraxinas

@j_feral @tommi @jcape @wingo @fraxinas Hopefully this will strike at the CEO's ego, as CEOs normally love being "*The* Person To Talk To." Being shunned by influencers who would normally be his biggest fawning fans ought to sting.

Someone else can carry the message to him that his actions are wrong. And as plenty others have already tried, this message might get through.

@tommi @fraxinas it's not easy to take a stand so publicly, thank you for standing up for your values.

@tommi
@fraxinas

Thank you for taking a stand, and for sending a clear message.

RE: https://pan.rent/@tommi/115485846413579206

@tommi @fraxinas

It has been extremely disappointing watching Framework go down this path.

And even more disappointing is the dogged refusal to even acknowledge the concerns people have over their support for DHH. And how their forums have let trolls and sealions have the run of the place.

@tommi @fraxinas thank your for taking a stand, and for doing it in a clear manner, I can only imagine how hard it was.
Hope you find sucess on all your endeavours, helping the world become a better place.
@tommi @fraxinas I'm equally saddened and disappointed by Framework's stance on these matters 💔 thank you for taking this stand. It reflects what I know of you.

@tommi thanks for this very clear breakdown. It's the best one Ive seen so far.

It is too bad, as they seemed like the best players in the space we had.

Question remains for me then... Where to now? What hardware company embodies what framework did, without the dark side?

@codemonkeymike if we could only fork @frameworkcomputer as it regularly happens with OpenSource projects when there's a need for it 🤷😥

@tommi

@eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer @tommi MNT Research (https://mntre.com/) have open source laptop, with all the schematics freely available on their website
MNT Research GmbH

MNT Research makes open source hardware laptops, mobile devices and keyboards that are modular and repairable. Designed and assembled in Berlin, EU.

@gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer And in contrast to a Framework computer, in case MNT ever does something you sincerely dislike so much that you never want to buy anything from them again, you can *literally* just fork their work and build your own. This is not possible with a Framework computer as many seem to be realizing only now. Framework never was the open hardware that many advertised it for. The MNT Reform on the other hand has been that from the beginning.
@josch @eliasp @codemonkeymike Josch, do you know if there was reform laptop built from people outside MNT? I think this happened but I might be mixing up with the tangara.
@gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike You are mixing it up with the right people because @jacqueline was the one who built a reform motherboard from its kicad sources (even in purple!)
@josch @gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @jacqueline jacqueline built a complete forked reform incl customizations to motherboard and keyboard

And I wouldn't expect their CEO (https://mastodon.social/@mntmn) to get lost like Nirav Patel did.

@josch @gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer

Hope @mntmn geht a model without mechanical keyboard and get thinner. A higher display resolution would be also nice.


@wonka @josch @gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer
@genofire The problem of "no mechanical keyboard" is that then you are back at "the thing cannot be forked" which this sub-thread is about. With a mechanical keyboard you can order a populated PCB somewhere, solder your favourite switches to it and add keycaps of your choice. There is a big community out there which create their own mechanical keyboards. With normal thin rubber dome laptop keyboards, you cannot build one yourself. About thin reform, check out this: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/mnt-reform-next
MNT Reform Next

A new 12.5" open hardware laptop that is future-proof, modular, and highly performant

Crowd Supply

@gkrnours @eliasp @frameworkcomputer @tommi I think these things are cool, no doubt.. but a chonky arm laptop isn't the same as something x86 and sleeker like the Framework.

Someday i'd love to play with an MNT, but not sure its daily driveable for someone like me yet.

@codemonkeymike @eliasp @tommi macbook are arm laptop. While sure the classic and pocket are chunky with their 4cm thickness, the MNT reform next will be only 2.5cm. For context, the thinkpad x220 was 3.5cm.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter. If you want a sleek x86, you can get a great deal on a refurbished dell laptop. If you want a laptop you can repair and modify, MNT publish their sources.

@gkrnours @codemonkeymike @eliasp @tommi I mostly wait for new SOCs, current MNT looks amazing and I'd love it, but it currently lacks performance I need from a daily driver laptop :(
@shine I have a pocket reform with an i.MX 8M plus and yeah, it's rather slow. From what I read, the rcore RK3588 is decent and it's what ship with both new pocket and classic reform but I haven't seen any benchmark
@gkrnours still a bit too slow. But the Quasar SOC they are testing right now gives me hope :)
@shine @gkrnours im interested in those too. i saw one in person and having LiPo cells in there is awesome. makes replacing later easy

@tammeow @shine And the LiPo cells aren't glued :3

The reform classic and soon to be released reform next come with 18650 battery LiFePO4. This format is much easier to replace. The chemistry have a bit less capacity at equal size/volume but have more recharge cycle meaning they won't degrade as fast. Some people have put LiPo 18650 in a reform classic but also Na-ion (rather new stuff, made without lithium, lower capacity)

@gkrnours @eliasp @tommi ohh i fully agree with you. And I love refurb and used laptops. BUT my point is, we can't pretend Dell or Lenovo are wonderfully ethical companies. So while you're not paying the directly, someone did and you're still buying it.

Ethically seems like a blurry line for me. But alas.. I DO hope to check out a MNT at some point.

I still have 1 or 2 apps that dont work natively on arm yet (sadly)

@gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer @tommi I'm definitely interested in that as a possible replacement for a Framework.
@gkrnours @eliasp @codemonkeymike @frameworkcomputer @tommi Ok yeah definitely looking into it. Looks like their configuration doesn't exploit the full power of the RK3588 module they're using, at least for display capabilities, but I bet that can be remedied.
@aspensmonster small team. They are experimenting with external GPU (https://mastodon.social/@mntmn/115498938494981234) and they have a prototype for a moduld based on the Qualcomm Dragonwing QCS6490

@codemonkeymike @tommi ThinkPads are very repairable with their FRUs and exploded diagrams and detailed hardware manuals.

If Lenovo are problematic (and they might well be, I don't actually know), there is so much second hand hardware floating around, you can have a good machine without paying them anything.

@sarajw @codemonkeymike ThinkPads were very repairable. I agree, but latest models are awful IMHO.

@tommi @codemonkeymike ah alright. I bought my current one in 2019 so I guess that's a while ago now! I've had it open a few times, only for memory and hard drives, but still. I like that I can do that.

Still the comment about the second hand models stands - but of course they won't be the latest thing.

Edit: the newest models still have hardware maintenance manuals available to download for them - so even if they're a pig to open up - it is possible and there are instructions to do so :)

@sarajw @tommi @codemonkeymike I've only had to open up my 2023 thinkpad p14s a couple times and it's been far better than when I had to repair my partner's dell fwiw. Not great, not like thinkpads used to be, but still a bit less awful.
@sarajw @codemonkeymike I speak from very limited, extremely frustrating experience, with a Carbon X1 gen 10. I don’t know abiut else but I did not hear good things.
@tommi @sarajw @codemonkeymike I have a X1 Extreme 2nd gen. Also opened it once. Didn't look bad, but I may be to much of a noob to judge that.
@tommi @sarajw @codemonkeymike Some of the non carbon options get fairly decent repairability scores from i-fixit! https://www.ifixit.com/Device/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T14_Gen_5 is one example (this also applied to the p14s, T16/P16s)
Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 5 Repair Help: Learn How to Fix It Yourself.

Service and repair resources for the fifth generation of Lenovo's popular 14-inch business laptop. First available in April 2024.

iFixit

@soni

Oh yes this is cool "Lenovo consulted directly with the iFixit Solutions team"

Being often sold as enterprise machines, I think it's in their interest to market themselves as field-servicable, repairable, etc.

@tommi @codemonkeymike

@tommi @fraxinas

"We'll miss the idea we had of you."

God damn

@contrasocial @tommi @fraxinas so true, what an incredible disappointment.
@tommi @fraxinas This decision only deserves a ton of respect. Thank what you've doing all this time to serve the community!
@tommi @fraxinas Very well said.
Taking such a clear position publicly will no doubt send a lot of bullshit and trolls your way. Thank you for doing it regardless. It was necessary and (at least from my point of view) the correct thing to do.
@tommi @fraxinas I wish I were in a position to offer you both a job! (Alas, I'm not.)

@tommi @fraxinas They literally lost at least one customer because of this. I was about to get one of their laptops in the next couple of months, but I will not do so now.

Perhaps my business is not worth it to them. But at least I feel I'm doing the right thing by refusing to give them my business.

@loke two customers, I was going to buy one too next year
@jailandrade @loke same here, my next one would have been a framework. I was really excited about it too.

@loke

I had a similar dilemma last year when I was in the market for a new laptop, and many of the 'cool companies' were fairly obviously 'drinking the tech-bro cool-aid'.

Finally went with Tuxedo, who I believe are in Germany. Lovely machine, and fast af by my standards (I'm not a gamer!). It came with their own Linux distro out-of-box, which is fine, which I then replaced with my beloved Garuda.

@tommi @fraxinas

(Edited to correct that they are in Germany, not Austria)

@loke Almost, Germany. Was considering them; I also like how they provide (CC BY licensed) SVGs for all their keyboard layouts so you can easily design one they'll laser-etch for you.
@loke Same, they were my number one choice for a Linux laptop/workstation but went with a ThinkPad P1 instead. No regrets.

@tommi @fraxinas Greetings! I've found Professor Mickens critique of "Technological Manifest Destiny" a very convincing and funny way to explain that technology is a cultural expression and never separate from world view and other beliefs ( which any anthropology student hopefully knows ). It's in his wonderfully funny and also very serious Usenix Security 2018 keynote address: https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenixsecurity18/presentation/mickens

Thank you for the essay, the difficult decision, and your work on, for Framework. Onward 😺🖖🏽!

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@tommi @fraxinas This is a very well written post. I'm sorry that you are caught in these events. I'm sorry that you were so burnt by something that you put so much hope and enthusiasm into. This must really suck for you and I'm sorry things happened as they did. I sincerely hope that you find fun and enjoyment doing other things in the future. I don't know either of you but from what I'm reading in this post I think a lot of communities would benefit from having you in them. Take care!
@tommi @fraxinas it's heartbreaking honestly. I thought we had a decent laptop company at last but evidently not! thank you for taking a stand 💜
@tommi @fraxinas I want to thank you for making such a clear and heartfelt statement about this.
@tommi @fraxinas appreciate you posting this and bringing visibility to the issue