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nixCraft 🐧By now you know that Microsoft is now defaulting to saving new Word documents directly to OneDrive. I guess Excel will be the next inline. The cynical take is that this is incredibly convenient for them, especially if they plan on using that data to train future LLMs. Imagine paying for software only to have your data automatically funneled into their cloud. Plus, what happens when you're offline and need those files? Just use the LibreOffice and just say no to all Microsoft products.
llewelly@nixCraft excel? welp, there goes the most widely used programming language ever.
Martin Vermeer FCD
Robyn Nuthall@nixCraft I can't tell you how much this drives me spare!! So frustrating!
@nixCraft i guess it's time to use the correct vocabulary, which is harvesting into private data warehouse, not cLoUd
Norris Dale AC1LP
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Michael Vilain@nixCraft I still have MacOS Office but I dropped my OneDrive subscription when I couldn't update my ARM version of Windows 11 any more. If M$ requires a Microsoft account to run MacOS Office, I will switch to LibreOffice.
I've already moved everything I had in github to codeburg.org. Once the Github VP quit, I knew it was only a matter of time before github became their next source of LLM training material.
A pox on their house.
soean@mvilain @nixCraft
I switched to Linux on my work laptop six month ago. (Private two decades ago)
But now - as I have to dive deeper into @libreoffice the longer I do the more I wonder how long I stuck to MS. It seems much more made for productive work.
I switched to Linux on my work laptop six month ago. (Private two decades ago)
But now - as I have to dive deeper into @libreoffice the longer I do the more I wonder how long I stuck to MS. It seems much more made for productive work.
gnomeoffender@nixCraft I've diversified my products using Google on my Chromebook with its word like features and templates. Do a subscription for Evernote which saves my work in convenient retrievable format and syncs with all my gadgets for portability. These gated systems are passe.
SamuelJohnson@gnomeoffender @nixCraft Do yourself a favour and use either Joplin or Obsidian. --ex Evernote customer.
@samueljohnson @nixCraft Am using Obsidian like sticky notes to use locally, save by ChatGPT instructions from manuals that I need reference to. I'm looking for an editor for html to text to use.
@gnomeoffender @nixCraft Joplin's web clipper may suit. If you need a separate editor try Bluefish.
@samueljohnson @nixCraft Here's my shared link to Bluefish and how I can use it or not. https://claude.ai/share/792b0877-4d9c-4da8-9b80-c1a23e7673b9 Simply put I'm used to WYSIWYG toggle b/c it's fast for fixes and changes of a few pieces of text and takes the hassle out of scratch coding. FYI
Trying to get around the limitations of simple text and play around the edges. Thanks for the info.
Trying to get around the limitations of simple text and play around the edges. Thanks for the info.
@gnomeoffender @nixCraft I thought you were looking to clip html content from web pages (Joplin Web clipper good for this) and convert to markdown notes. It's a while since I used Bluefish so I don't recall if it saves to MD but thought it might suit. Since saw an article on a tool called Jimmy that does but have never tried it. Thanks for Claude info. Ask about the work flow you have in mind?
Jack Yan (甄爵恩)@nixCraft Glad I never made the move and stuck with WordPerfect.
zenmorph@nixCraft I’ve thoroughly detached from Google and 90% detached from M$. My Apple footprint is still a work in progress. Fully operational on Linux and Libre Office.
Áine@nixCraft i would go as far as saying that was the entire endgame of normalising the cloud in the first place honestly.
Molly in Missouri@princessaine @nixCraft makes me glad i boycotted all that shit on principle. I used to wonder if i was too extreme but now i see i was not.
Max Almonte@nixCraft don't forget donating to LibreOffice too! They won't demand money from you but can sure use it.
Fluffy Kitty Cat@maxalmonte14 @nixCraft is there a place I can just set up a recurring monthly donation of like five a month to go home to finding a variety of projects? Not just the popular applications we use but some of the underlying infrastructure that makes it possible
your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦then there’s your company’s trade secrets. you’re basically forfeting +100 years of IP & trade secrets law protections by letting M$ do whatever they want with your companies intellectual property.
Bill Bennett@nixCraft Wait... there are people still willingly using Microsoft Office?
Pure masochism.
@billbennett @nixCraft the decades old vendor lock in
virkon@fluffykittycat @billbennett @nixCraft The responsible people are unable to see beyond $MS. No matter the argument.
@nixCraft I have been using Open Office for years on my MacOS. It works well with MS Office docs.
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Tom Spettigue@bert_hubert @nixCraft yuuuuup. the idea that this gigantic cloud boner all of these companies have isn't a wet dream for fascists is just naive. it is, and will be used as such - and 99% of the world are sheep being herded to the slaughterhouse.
Richard W. Woodley ELBOWS UP 🇨🇦🌹🚴♂️📷 🗺️I hate software that saves stuff internally without giving you the option of where to save or sometimes not even telling you where, or requiring you to go into the program settings to set the directory rather than doing it when saving the document, supposedly in their own "libraries", but I prefer to set up my own document structure on my own hard drive.
TheZorseI would think it's also a proprietary issue. What if my files are business documents or ideas for inventions or text intended for publishing?
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MrCus@nixCraft say it with me:
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Grease the Subtle@nixCraft I only use Office at work, for work things, because it's mandated. Try to do as little personal business as possible there.
vam103@nixCraft
For the full horror...
Yeah, they just aren't hiding it anymore.
Olivetree@olivetree @nixCraft
Pretty sure "Add to Onedrive" has existed for over a year, since I did to get easier uploads on the work computer.
Although, the "hero link" looks like the feature that should have existed in the first damn place.
👀 (they/any)@nixCraft my Microsoft office doesn't do this awesome function, should I update?
FlorianI am getting really tired of that word 'Just" in these kinds of rants. For a huge amount of people, there's no such thing as "just switch", because in a lot of cases these people are considered "just" a minority that are "just" so difficult to keep in mind when developing these alternatives, I bet I only "just" made you think of them again "just" now. So with all due respect, kindly "just" f*ck off telling me what I should "Just" switch to until #accessibility actually "just" works. Until then, "just" do better at being "just". Ok? Can we do that?
This coming from "just" another #accessibility professional who sometimes "just" gets a little tired of bringing it nice and polite and "just" wants to tell people to "just" feckin' follow the myriad accessibility standards that have only existed for, I dunno ... "just" a couple of decades?
This coming from "just" another #accessibility professional who sometimes "just" gets a little tired of bringing it nice and polite and "just" wants to tell people to "just" feckin' follow the myriad accessibility standards that have only existed for, I dunno ... "just" a couple of decades?
I do feel I need to nuance that this isn't aimed at anyone specifially; the example at the beginning of this thread is just that, an example of the behavior I'm referencing.
The underlying thought is true though: People, particularly a subset of the #fedi, are VERY quik to tell people to "just XYZ". #accessibility aside this is almost never a "just" to the person you're talking to, and the person in question is going to get their feathers ruffled by you indicating what they may have actually already tried to do, for days, is a "just" to you. They might feel stupid, powerless, dismissed, a whole bunch of other things you're probably not trying to convey but is definitely being received.
Feel the urge to tell someone to "just" do something? Stop, think, and maybe just don't. ALl you gotta do is just think from somebody else's perspective for a change. nNothin' to it, right?
The underlying thought is true though: People, particularly a subset of the #fedi, are VERY quik to tell people to "just XYZ". #accessibility aside this is almost never a "just" to the person you're talking to, and the person in question is going to get their feathers ruffled by you indicating what they may have actually already tried to do, for days, is a "just" to you. They might feel stupid, powerless, dismissed, a whole bunch of other things you're probably not trying to convey but is definitely being received.
Feel the urge to tell someone to "just" do something? Stop, think, and maybe just don't. ALl you gotta do is just think from somebody else's perspective for a change. nNothin' to it, right?
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💉*9 Roger@zersiax a place I worked in the 90s had an "award" for saying something like "all you have to do is..." and the "just" thing would have applied. To be clear, this and the various other awards were things we tried to avoid winning. It was all in good fun, though.
Phil@zersiax They pointed out a problem and made a recommendation on what you can do to avoid it.
Your frustration on that recommendation not being perfect (though others noted that LibreOffice appears to be at least bearable already) are comprehensible, but you can still "F*ck off" yourself for shouting at those merely promoting **FOSS** solutions when the alternative is that everybody gets screwed by MS. Tiredness does not earn you pity points for a dick move.
@Isofruit You clearly missed the point of my thread. For one, I'm not shouting at anyone; I deliberately took the usernames out of my reply and even pointed out I'm not targeting anyone specifically. I also specifically had/have a problem with the concept of telling people to "just" switch to XYZ, irrespective of FOSS, as it is incredibly dismissive of peoples' experiences as the MANY agreeing sentiments should hopefully somewhat point out.
What I am pointing out is that decades of neglecting a huge number of people's experience has led to an environment where these people can't *just* do anything because they have to either get good and learn how to code exceedingly complicated stacks in order to get basic access everybody else takes for granted, or wait months, years or even decades for someone to realize they exist and code themselves out of the corner their predecessors coded them in where this is concerned.
What I am pointing out is that decades of neglecting a huge number of people's experience has led to an environment where these people can't *just* do anything because they have to either get good and learn how to code exceedingly complicated stacks in order to get basic access everybody else takes for granted, or wait months, years or even decades for someone to realize they exist and code themselves out of the corner their predecessors coded them in where this is concerned.
@Isofruit Amusingly your final note clearly illustrates what you call an imperfect solution; I can't get annoyed about people making sure that not EVERYONE gets f*cked by Microsoft, I just need to be ok with the fact that apparently I, and millions of others, are not part of this version of "everyone". So yes, I am going to be nice about it 99 out of 100 times, but the 100th time, someone telling me to "just" do something that would decimate my productivity, ensure I can't be a proper part of society and lag behind on a bunch of other things is going to get me a little prickly. The needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few is a bit of a sour lemon for the few on the other side of that equation, and that will at times lead to people speaking out. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient
@zersiax Keep your digs, pseudo apology and putting words in my mouth to yourself. You're not being inconvenient by taking a moral stance, in the style of your rant you're just being destructive and torpedo'ing others advocacy for no gain to yourself. Apparently because they weren't perfectly mindful in their wording for whatever reason that may have been. Rationalize that for yourself as you wish.
Big Pawed Bear@zersiax preach this. so many don't realise why people use what they use. those who say just do this or that are often from privilidged standpoints.
@zersiax the accessibility should be mandated by international laws where operating systems and applications are public facing, not to forget the web too. if something that is public facing is not accessible to the widest reasonably expected audiance, it should not pass release. accessibility should not be a lottery. we have the tech now to make everything so much better.
@bigpawedbear the sad part is that there ARE international laws. It's just that a lot of bottom-line guards feel that the financial risk of breaking those laws is less than the effort required to adhere to them so ultimately it doesn't seem to do much
dotmavriq@zersiax
I'd love to hang out in a call sometime and learn more about accessibility if you ever have the time! I think that's an area I'd want to work in more.
"The internet" as I knew it is in a steady state of decay... I'm a bit disenfranchised of the current state of everything but the prospect of helping people interface with whatever is out there that's actually nice and human would motivate me to do good work and contribute for free.
I'd love to hang out in a call sometime and learn more about accessibility if you ever have the time! I think that's an area I'd want to work in more.
"The internet" as I knew it is in a steady state of decay... I'm a bit disenfranchised of the current state of everything but the prospect of helping people interface with whatever is out there that's actually nice and human would motivate me to do good work and contribute for free.
GunChleoc@dotmavriq @zersiax If you want a perfect accessibility rabbit hole, look at @aardrian's blog.
Lots of information there.
@dotmavriq hahaha you are one of the people who responded positively to my thread, I think I mayhaps touched a sore spot for some folks. Yeah, happy to chat accessibility some time
Isabel RuffellAs a sight-impaired user, I experience your frustrations daily.
On the specific issue in this thread, though, I note that LibreOffice is one of the more accessible programs on Linux, and way less of a headache than Office365, Teams and Sharepoint, which I can't avoid entirely for work.
Steve Holden@zersiax the word “just,” when asked to do excessively heavy lifting (e.g. “just write a book about it”), is a pet peeve of mine.
Tripop@zersiax @nixCraft ...What ? Are you trolling right now ? Yeah big mega corporation can bring accessibility more easily than... Little project made by volunteers work, did you just find that we live in capitalism ??
But STILL there's alternative with good accessibility like in only office, and the magic of FOSS world it's the fact if we want collectively to bring accessibility to a program, you don't have to wait for daddy corporation to bring it to you.
So I think you can fuck off and talk normally to people that talking about way to end hegemonic power and want to bring more equality and freedom, again, with VOLUNTEERS work.
You're angry at the wrong side here.
But STILL there's alternative with good accessibility like in only office, and the magic of FOSS world it's the fact if we want collectively to bring accessibility to a program, you don't have to wait for daddy corporation to bring it to you.
So I think you can fuck off and talk normally to people that talking about way to end hegemonic power and want to bring more equality and freedom, again, with VOLUNTEERS work.
You're angry at the wrong side here.
@tripop You're funny.
First, look at my bio. Next, realize I might have a little more knowledge about how people who need accessibility actually feel about accessibility. Next, realize that you're entirely out of your league and are talking about something you may quite literally know nothing about. FInally, read this: https://fireborn.mataroa.blog/blog/i-want-to-love-linux-it-doesnt-love-me-back-post-1-built-for-control-but-not-for-people/
FInally, read this: https://alice.boxhall.au/articles/a-threat-model-for-accessibility-on-the-web/
SO no, friend, I am NOT trolling. I am expressing frustration. Don't like it? Follow your own advice.
Helgi Crookehorne@nixCraft I imagine defaulting meant you still can opt to save to local storage after selecting it, besides it's too easy to go offline those days. Button on a router? Disable LAN in devices? Russian cruise missiles hit your powerplant or substations?
Thomas Traynor@nixCraft I hope work says NO f*****g way. We work with rather sensitive information that should not be anywhere except on a secured drive or secured network folder.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@nixCraft There has to be a way to turn off this default. Otherwise I won't be able to use Microsoft products to process data governed by GDPR. Which, yes, I do routinely do at home. Because the risk of accidentally saving to an American cloud will simply be too great.
David Cohen@TimWardCam @nixCraft It’s easy - don’t use OneDrive, and it won’t happen.
RealGene ☣️@TimWardCam @nixCraft
"By default, the save location is directly to the OneDrive cloud.
If you want to change this default save location, go to Word, File > Options > Save.
Uncheck the box "AutoSave files stored in the cloud by default in word".
Then check "Save to computer by default" and then define the local file location.'
"By default, the save location is directly to the OneDrive cloud.
If you want to change this default save location, go to Word, File > Options > Save.
Uncheck the box "AutoSave files stored in the cloud by default in word".
Then check "Save to computer by default" and then define the local file location.'