nixCraft π§Heads up! Gmail will no longer support checking emails from third-party accounts via POP. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/16604719?hl=en
Richard Bairwell@nixCraft Feck. Well there goes my nearly 20 year old email workflow :(
TormodHehe... mine too.
Maybe the kick in the b.hind I needed to get off GMail too then.
Jevon Wright ππ@rbairwell @nixCraft same here. Maybe it's time to leave.
gunstick@rbairwell @nixCraft I think it will still be possible to read google email with thunderbird using POP. But this is a strong signal to abandon the platform ASAP before they force IMAP on everyone. Or even take IMAP away completely.
Stew
Tuta@invidious_user @nixCraft Good choice! Any question on Tuta Mail - we're here. π
Desert Camel@desertcamel @invidious_user @nixCraft No, due to the built-in encryption that's not possible. But we might enable you to use other mail services in our clients via IMAP.
Leeloo@Tutanota @desertcamel @invidious_user @nixCraft
So, how would Google removing support for POP3 be a reason to switch to Tuta?
So, how would Google removing support for POP3 be a reason to switch to Tuta?
@Tutanota @invidious_user @nixCraft No thanks, electron is not touching my PC. Also Imagine making email almost proprietary.
Nemo@desertcamel
yup.
email clients support PGP very well. I want IMAP, not a weird proprietary thought built around email.
The Incredible Laser@nixCraft POP in 2025 is wild. If you're still using it, you should reconsider
Brokar@IncredibleLaser @nixCraft
I use POP when i can.
I have also set all my IMAP accounts to "delete after download" in Thunderbird.
I don't want my emails to linger on an IMAP server longer than necessary, esp. with all companies now using the modern "AI" to sift through everything.
But that's just me. You do you.
@Brokar @nixCraft there should be only one company able to go through your mail with AI (two of you include the sender's provider), and if they want to do that, they're able to do so before any of your clients see the mail, regardless of protocol. If you care about this issue, do not use mail for anything where AI access is a problem
@IncredibleLaser @nixCraft
Why don't you suggest some alternatives?
My requirements:
- Good for bulk fetching, not for reading mails on the server.
- Orders of magnitude simpler than IMAP.
@IncredibleLaser @nixCraft
Nor with any other email service that I know of. Now with fetchmail or any email program that I'm aware of.
Nor with any other email service that I know of. Now with fetchmail or any email program that I'm aware of.
@leeloo @nixCraft I was just pointing out that POP3 isn't going to work with Gmail either.
Anyhow, my provider has JMAP support (unsurprising since they're the original authors of the protocol).
The issue with POP for me was always that you lose your single source of truth, it's mostly designed to operate with a single client per mailbox. For a good reason, there are no modern communication protocols that operate in a similar fashion
@IncredibleLaser @nixCraft
We are talking about alternatives for pop3 because gmail is removing pop3 support, and you decided to point out that pop3 doesn't work with gmail anymore?
And I just got around to read the Wikipedia page about JMAP. HTTP and JSON garbage. So it's neither simple nor an alternative.
With POP3 I have exactly my single source of truth: My inbox, where everything gets collected (by fetchmail).
@leeloo @nixCraft my point was that if you dismiss JMAP because of provider support (fair), then POP also has issues as Gmail has just removed it, per the news.
Also I'm not sure how JMAP is so less simple than POP3. At least it's stateless and the underlying protocols are well-understood and offer security guarantees.
I mean yeah you probably won't be able to use it manually via telnet (which was probably possible with POP3) but I don't consider this a valid usecase today
@IncredibleLaser @nixCraft
Working in IT, I have been in the situation that the only thing that could get on the network was the router, so the only way to read mails was telnet from the Cisco command line on the console port.
Broken networks are not something that only happened in historical times.
Tim Chase@nixCraft Sounds like a good opportunity to Run Your Own Mail Server π
MatΔj Cepl πͺπΊ π¨πΏ πΊπ¦I understand that, but this is a suggestion for absolute geeks with a lot of free time to struggle with SpamHaus and other institutions targeting peaceful operation of the server. I would prefer if we all promoted as an alternative to GMail/Outlook/etc. other purely commercial providers like Fastmail et al. instead pushing normals to something where they will eventually and necessarily burn out.
The qualifications for running your own mailserver is not negligible, but it's also well documented in such a way that most competent geeks with a few bucks for a domain-name and VPS could get the fundamentals up and running in a weekend.
A discussion particularly apropos of reading @whitequark's recent threadΒΉ that crossed my feed, detailing adventures in busting the "setting up a mailserver is hard" myth.
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ΒΉ https://mastodon.social/@whitequark/115298019560025791
I was running my own server for years. I didnβt give up because of my incompetence (I hope), but because I found that I have better things to do than constantly battling with SpamHause, Google, Microsoft, and others who try to cement the monopoly in the email delivery. I just outsourced that job to Fastmail, and I am very happy with the result.
And yes, her second point is absolutely correct. Let somebody else deal with it. And she still ends with βwith everyone but M365.β
β§β¦Catherineβ¦β§I apologise, I didn't want to undermine your feminity. I am sorry.
Cav
David Dunphy@nixCraft Hopefully Imap will still work, otherwise it's divorce court for me and gmail
Svenja
CpyJx π@nixCraft patiently waiting for thundermail
Not trying hard enough π¦@nixCraft
Free for life.* πΈ
*Your results may vary.
πBill Cole πΊπ¦
/home/kevinz/ 
@nixCraft anyways gmail and google sucks
Mythic Beasts@nixCraft worth clarifying that they're killing two different things here.
The mobile app will no longer support POP3 with 3rd party mail accounts - that's fine, just switch to IMAP.
They're also removing the "Check mail from other accounts" feature in the web interface that pulls mail from other accounts into your Gmail inbox. This is (was) the only reliable way to "forward" mail into your Gmail inbox.
https://www.mythic-beasts.com/blog/2025/01/29/the-death-of-email-forwarding/
Chris Ferguson@ChrisFerguson @nixCraft you can still forward email to Gmail, but it's not completely reliable, and we do see Gmail reject legitimate forwarded email. The "check mail from other accounts" used to be a better way to do forwarding.
Javier Jimenez Shaw@beasts
I have been forwarding my email from my personal domain to other services for 25 years. To Gmail since I got an account in 2004. I suffered Gmail rejecting legitimate forwarded email a couple of years ago. So I moved to pull them with POP from my personal domain into my Gmail account.
But in 2026 all this is gone, right? There is no reliable way to use Gmail (desktop web) to get the emails from my domain, right?
@jjimenezshaw @ChrisFerguson @nixCraft That's our understanding. It may be with the increased adoption of DKIM, forwarding works better than it used to, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Il Baro
Fish Id Wardrobe β@nixCraft if you need something for android, k9mail reads gmail β and also imap and pop.
(k9mail is / is soon to be thunderbird android.)
Sandro Santilli πͺ hacker