Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Day 09 - Kiskunhalas - Bácsalmás - Hercegszántó - Baja - Budapest
Today's new borders:
Katymár 🇭🇺 - Ridjica 🇷🇸
Gara 🇭🇺 - Ridjica 🇷🇸
Hercegszántó 🇭🇺 - Backi Breg 🇷🇸
Borders map, inc. borders re-visited:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#11/45.9784/19.0479
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bus 3 of 6
7807 KISKUN replacement bus
08:03 Kiskunhalas/vá. - Jánoshalma 08:33
MÁV
Bus type: MAN bendy bus
⛽️
🚲: ⛔️
🦽: ✅
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (multi use spaces and overhead racks)
🧽: 🙂
Route of the vehicle: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/46.3592/19.4671
Places I’ve been on #CrossBorderRail with surprisingly good bike infra
Kiskunhalas 🇭🇺
Banja Luka 🇧🇦
Subotica 🇷🇸
These are not rich places. But there’s an old cycling history, and a little investment is basic infrastructure - and it works!
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 30 of 75
IR 7807
08:38 Jánoshalma - Bácsalmás 08:57
MÁV
Train type: Vagonka Studenka 117 Bzmot Railbus, 1 short carriage
⛽️
🚲: ❓(not officially but you’d manage)
🦽: ⛔️
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (high steps to get in, narrow doors)
🧽: 😐 (orderly, but it needs a good clean)
🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)
Pedal to the metal! 💨#CrossBorderRail
(This train type is meant to do max 80km/h)
IR 7807
08:38 Jánoshalma - Bácsalmás 08:57
Distance: 22.5km
Average speed: 71km/h
2 stops:
Mélykút
Bácsalmás
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/46.2214/19.3308
The #CrossBorderRail 2025 conclusions tour - mainly to go to events, but adding a few new borders too. Each day of the project is a Layer in the map - these should be displayed by default, or if not click the three layered diamonds icon "Open browser" to the left side of the map. The icons are all for borders, roughly coloured to differentiate the borders. A cross through a track means NO TRAINS CAN RUN. A cross through trains but not track means TRAINS CAN RUN BUT NO PASSENGER TRAINS. And TRAIN AND TRACK (no crosses) means there is a passenger service. All lines on the map are TRAINS, unless otherwise shown with icons along the lines - 🚲 for bike, 🚌 for bus, 🚗 for car, ⛴️ for ferry. Click each line to get basic information what it is.
I think this must be the most tightly timetabled train I’ve taken on #CrossBorderRail
The train’s max speed is 80km/h. We have one interim stop. And we *average* 71km/h.
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bike 8 of 17
Bácsalmás - Hercegszántó
Distance: 68.2km
Est. duration: 4:30
This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/46.0394/19.0747
And that’s #CrossBorderRail Gara 🇭🇺 - Ridjica 🇷🇸
Long gone too. The building in the middle is the former station Gara
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bus 4 of 6
5335/436
13:15 Hercegszántó, autóbusz-váróterem - Baja, autóbusz-állomás 14:05
Volánbusz
Bus type: Volvo 3 axle
⛽️
🚲: ⛔️
🦽: ✅
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (stupid design - space for overhead racks but has none)
🧽: 🙂
Route of the vehicle: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/46.0713/18.9360
#CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 30 of 75
IR 7804
15:14 Baja - Sárbogárd 16:55
MÁV
Train type: Siemens Desiro DMU, 2 short carriages
⛽️
🚲: ✅
🦽: ❓(step free if platform allows but here there’s barely a platform)
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (great design - huge overhead racks, space between seats)
🧽: 🙂
🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)
IR 7804
15:14 Baja - Sárbogárd 16:55
Distance: 103km
Average speed: 61km/h
13 stops:
Pörböly
Alsónyék
Bátaszék
Decs
Őcsény
Szekszárd
Tolna-Mözs
Fácánkert
Tengelic
Nagydorog
Vajta
Cece
Sárbogárd
This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#10/46.5428/18.7798
The #CrossBorderRail 2025 conclusions tour - mainly to go to events, but adding a few new borders too. Each day of the project is a Layer in the map - these should be displayed by default, or if not click the three layered diamonds icon "Open browser" to the left side of the map. The icons are all for borders, roughly coloured to differentiate the borders. A cross through a track means NO TRAINS CAN RUN. A cross through trains but not track means TRAINS CAN RUN BUT NO PASSENGER TRAINS. And TRAIN AND TRACK (no crosses) means there is a passenger service. All lines on the map are TRAINS, unless otherwise shown with icons along the lines - 🚲 for bike, 🚌 for bus, 🚗 for car, ⛴️ for ferry. Click each line to get basic information what it is.
@jon Yeah, my experience with Bzmots is more limited to those bumpy lines :)
"Fun" fact, a Bzmot derailed a few weeks ago on that Drégelypalánk line: https://www.facebook.com/HegyiZsoltMAVcsoport/posts/pfbid03275aFE9tjg6YvVFBXedH5HZhsFtGkpRNZhYgWDoAYetoDThuZP2wuwJMZZ3babTfl
@jon not necessarily! At short trips, the precision is quite low, around 5% in this case; even assuming that the distance is precise, you'd get 67.5 km/h for 20 minutes or 75 km/h for 18 minutes, so the actual speed must be somewhere in between. "71 km/h" gives a false sense of precision that isn't actually here.
And assuming that the distance is only precise to 500m, the actual average speed could be between 66 and 76.7 km/h.
This is not really a problem for longer journeys because there one has enough significant digits; but it is for short journeys as timetabled. A rule of thumb is that the error range for a product or fraction is roughly the sum of error ranges of the components.
Jon Worth
mtp
AnneH
Luke Horn
Leen Kievit
Siège avec vue
Timo Hetzel
Matthew Vernon
MJ Ray
plactagonic
Dr. h.c.* Grober Unfug
Filip Lachert he/him
Lord HeeHaw II
Márton Salomváry
Inga stands with 🇺🇦 🇵🇸
Adam
Hans Zelf 🇪🇺🌻