My ~/.dillo/keysrc for vi-like/less-like navigation, in case it helps anyone :D
R.L. Dane 
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space = screen-down
b = screen-up
<shift>space = screen-up
j = line-down
k = line-up
K = top
# no way to handle 'gg', but just 'g' works ;)
g = top
G = bottom
h = left
l = right
/ = find
H = back
L = forward
I've tried both and daily-drive qutebrowser; they're not really in the same category.
Qutebrowser's main deal is the interface for interacting with it; the underlying browser engine is stock qtwebengine6, which is Chromium-based.
Dillo has its own browser engine, but a pretty minimal one that is more like a browser engine from a couple decades ago than a current one. It's mostly gonna be able to do small web sites, not Web 2.0 or anything with modern features. It probably won't be your only browser if you use it, but it is a fun lightweight one to play around with.
@amin's the #qutebrowser superfan. XD
For me, I've tried it and found it very usable for even fairly modern/intensive web sites, but the Blink (Chromium)-based backend (a sad limitation of modern Qt) keeps me from adopting it. Personal call.
For #dillo, it's never going to replace a modern web browser, but think of it as a great browser for the smol web. I can read any decent text-based page with it, even with a little bit of CSS formatting. It's far from perfect, and doesn't even pass the Acid2 test at this time. But it's a wonderful smol browser for the smol web. ;)
For every day heavy web stuff, I use #LibreWolf with the Vimium-C extension.
but the Blink (Chromium)-based backend (a sad limitation of modern Qt) keeps me from adopting it. Personal call.
I understand that… personally Mozilla has gone far enough off the rails that I don't think it makes a big enough difference to keep me off of Qutebrowser.
I am looking forward to the hinted possibility of Qutebrowser adding a Servo backend once that project starts making embedding more possible, though.
#Mozilla has gone hilariously off the rails. By hilariously, of course, I mean incredibly tragically.
I'm still not comfortable sending a message to every site I visit that, "Yes, I am just another Chromium-based browser, feel free to make your site only work with Chrome."
...because I fought that battle 20 years ago, and we won it. I won't go back to a single company having hegemony over the web.
Riker on the Borg-trashed Enterprise, firing on every other ship because he won't go back.
Kiazi's children, their faces wet.
Shaka, when the walls fell.
I don't see any more value in allowing Mozilla to have a monopoly on "not being Chrome" either, though. Because that's essentially what we have.
Really, we need at least three competing completely-independent standards-compliant browser engines, ideally more. Right now we have three disgustingly-corporate browser engines.
Well, yes. Terminal web browsers are in a slightly different category for the purposes of what I'm talking about, though. XD
Which is why I really love XLinks... it really straddles the two categories (terminal web browsers and graphical smolweb browsers)
@rl_dane @amin @paul @justine https://www.thebrowser.company/ - them, I assume. They built Arc, and are now building Dia. As far as I can tell, they're both Chrome with even more AI shit on top.
(That, or Vivaldi, former Opera people, who build Vivalid, which is Yet Another Chrome too)
For me a few selling points:
• it offers a lot of features (reasonable rendering, a bit of CSS, etc) for the amount of RAM it consumes
• as much as I enjoy CLI browsing with Lynx, having proportional fonts in Dillo makes many documents more readable
• speaking of RAM, it's respectful. My go-to example was a time I was pulling up stacks of CLI-tool reviews, one in each tab. The whole Dillo instance with well over 100+ tabs open consumed less RAM than Firefox or Chrome with a single blank tab
• lots of screen-real-estate to the browser (have to enable the small icons/menus in settings)
• it lets me override the CSS for my preferences
• it doesn't try to cram in extra features—no AI, no JavaScript, no RSS reader, no tab-grouping, no popups/popunders/web-notifications/etc
• it runs on ALL my hardware (while I haven't tested qutebrowser on all of them, Firefox and Chromium simply don't build on PowerPC or i386 any more)
It is just the sort of GUI web-browser I started out with in the 90s. Fast, light, and respectful of me as a user in all the ways that mattered to me.
I found qutebrowser felt a bit heavier and it tried to do a bit more than I needed.
• speaking of RAM, it's respectful. My go-to example was a time I was pulling up stacks of CLI-tool reviews, one in each tab. The whole Dillo instance with well over 100+ tabs open consumed less RAM than Firefox or Chrome with a single blank tab
lol WASTED XD
Hah, one of the recent times I recounted that anecdote, somebody correctly identified the site in question¹ just based on that loose description 😆
@gumnos @justine @rl_dane huh.
I recently went from a proportional-rendered RFC on the RFC editor’s site to look for specifically the preformatted/monospaced version because I find that more readable.
I guess this is something that depends on what one’s used to; CJK people also seem to prefer monospaced Latin.
I think monospace is getting overemphasized.
It wasn't until I saw one of @neauoire's talks that I even remembered that code editors on classic Macs were proportional!! XD
@mirabilos @gumnos @justine @neauoire
I mean, zero hate, here. I do almost everything in a terminal, even working with files in a cloud drive. 😁
@rl_dane @mirabilos @gumnos @justine @neauoire
there’s been a few monospace fonts playing around with “texture healing” lately – adjusting widths and spacing depending on letters on each side – still monospace and everything still lines up, but a feel closer to proportional
@cerement @mirabilos @gumnos @justine @neauoire
I've tried monaspace before. Very calming. I might try it again. I keep jumping back to JetBrains Mono, for whatever reason. Very aesthetic to me, I guess.
@mirabilos @justine @cerement @gumnos @neauoire
Press F to pay respects to the venerable pixel grid. ^___^
In all thy orisons, may our sloppy HIDPI font rendering be remembered.
In b-splines and beziér curves do we find our quietus.
@rl_dane @justine @cerement @gumnos @neauoire you know, I just upscaled my 9×18 font to 18×36, with regexp¹ to fix a few diagonals, and use that on the 200 dpi $work laptop… in xterm, again. Sharp as hell.
① surprisingly few for good enough effect: http://mbsd.evolvis.org/cvs.cgi/contrib/fonts/fixed/fixedmir.dbl?rev=HEAD (user/pass public); it also changes 13 glyphs by hand (14 for the 16×32px cp437 font) in addition
@mirabilos @justine @cerement @gumnos @neauoire
Scaling graphics with regexp is precisely the kind of UNIX Gandalf I aspire to be. XD
@gumnos @justine @rl_dane thanks for the details!
> lots of screen-real-estate to the browser (have to enable the small icons/menus in settings)
Pressing ESC hides/shows the menus in case you need more space.
> it runs on ALL my hardware
Consider sending some picture to put in the gallery if you have some old or odd machine: https://dillo-browser.github.io/gallery/
If I may effuse, my #FreeSoftwareAdvent entry today was my paean about Dillo 🥰
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