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š° š š± š¦ š³ š¦ š° š® Japanese mythology was pretty gnarly even before the nukes.
technocritThe mythology of every state is inherently violence and anti-human.
Someone tell trump nuclear weapons are DEI and removing them will get him his Nobel peace prize!
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ļøSomeone tell him theyāre underaged girls and heāll goā¦fuck them? I donāt know, I didnāt think the analogy through, but heās a pedophile.
Holy shit I have an image I made from the last time around that is weirdly relevant to this comment:
Must have hit the pixel limit for the month.
Yeah, sure. Letās forget about Unit 731, genocide policy in China, union with nazi Germany, annual Yasukuni shrine rutuals, Shintoism, sick nationalism, etc.
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Sir, this is c/memes
Is this better?
Sure, and I love the great memes that get posted here. But this one distorts history beyond all measure. Japanese militarism in government circles hasnāt gone anywhere, and neither has the desire for revenge. However, the American dropping of atomic bombs on civilians is not a joke either, but an unconcealed genocide. A demonstration of force, first of all, to intimidate opponents from the socialist camp.
Itās a complex situation in Asia. Itās not only Japan that is wary of China. The rest of the region that share a border with China, and there are many of them including my country, are constantly having border disputes with China. As with any country, Japan has its share of loud conservatives that like similar conservative things, and if thereās anything conservatives are good at (and the left is ridiculously bad at), itās getting into government positions.
why are you talking about china? this is about the war crimes committed throughout asia by japan, and how is conveniently absent from a likely American made meme
The links were China related.
_cryptagion [he/him]Did the āthey did a bad thing too!ā excuse work with your mother? Because Iām wondering why you think it excuses the bad things America did?
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they arenāt even talking about Americaā¦
theyāre saying that itās strange to leave out the history of cruelty when Japan has been one of the most brutal, cruel, and disgusting empires in the world.
Honestly overlooking that history sounds like something an American would do. are you the seppo here?
Who said anything about overlooking? Can you point to where I did that?
Just a few days ago, it hit me on some new level that we fucking NUCLEAR BOMBED a country. TWICE.
We are literally the only country that has done that. And itās just sort-of this fun footnote of history. āFine, maybe that was a whoopsie, but blah blah blah something about land invasion blah blah blah. Our baaaaad!ā
Deserved
Still a war crime against civilians.
RememberTheApollo_Most bombing is. Firebombing of Dresden for example. The V2 bombs falling randomly on Londoners. Iām not in any way trying to handwave away your premise at all, just offer that war is hell and civilian targets are always targets to reduce the opponentās will to fight. In historic times weād burn the town and light the fields on fire, starving the population. WW2 firebombed cities. Even today nuclear weapons would be launched at strategic military targets, critical infrastructure, and city centers. War crime? I guess. Seems like plain old war, even if the US used the weapon that dialed it up to 11 first. (IMO nukes shouldnāt exist on any arsenal, but itās not up to me)
Just as an aside, due to the use of slave labour from nearby concentration camps and the horrendous conditions at the Mittelwerk factory that an estimated 12,000 people died making V1s and V2s, more than the estimated 9,000 people that died as targets.
Thatās a grim aside.
Very unfun fact.
kreekybonezāWar isnāt Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.ā
āThere are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them - little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.ā
Most bombing is [a war crime].
Ofc the state is run by criminal terrorists. Itās nothing to excuse or celebrate.
Itās nothing to excuse or celebrate.
It can be a statement of fact without being either of those.
US dropped notices for days ahead of the bombing. warning of the imminent danger and horrific results of a nuclear bomb.
many didnāt believe in the warnings as they had been disillusioned by their government.
the rest is history.
ćé»å®¶é§ Wong Ka Kuić | (aka: é³³å°é¢ å¶ē Hououin Kyouma)I wouldnāt say ādeservedā, civillians donāt ādeserveā dying in a destructibe war waged by their government. It was just a lesser evil.
In the last days of WW2, the Japanese military were getting children to make sharpened bamboo spears and training those children to attack American soldiers on sight. The elderly and women were told that they should kill themselves before potentially coming under American control.
The Japanese civilian population had been indoctrinated into the belief that western soldiers were absolute monsters who would carry out unspeakable acts on the should they become prisoners.
In the battle of Saipan, hundreds of mothers leapt from cliffs with their babies in their arms to evade capture, men would slit their childrenās throats and booby trapped the bodies to injure Americans and then themselves fought relentlessly, before mostly killing themselves or being killed to prevent capture.
The level of blood shed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unprecedented but it did in fact save untold Japanese civilian and American soldiersā lives.
Crucially, even after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japanese High Command still refused to surrender.
Bombing Japan = good?
more like least path of resistance to peace.
Itās literally the trolley problem writ large. Do you kill a few hundred thousand civilians to prevent the deaths of probably several million.
Well, idk much about history and politics and war, so Iām just gonna trust 'Muricans claiming they need to bomb other countries to bring peace to the world
NeilBrĆ¼What of this assertion do you disagree with?
In the last days of WW2, the Japanese military were getting children to make sharpened bamboo spears and training those children to attack American soldiers on sight. The elderly and women were told that they should kill themselves before potentially coming under American control.
The Japanese civilian population had been indoctrinated into the belief that western soldiers were absolute monsters who would carry out unspeakable acts on them should they become prisoners (ironic considering the IJA/Ns actions during the conflict).
In the battle of Saipan, hundreds of mothers leapt from cliffs with their babies in their arms to evade capture, men would slit their childrenās throats and booby trapped the bodies to injure Americans and then themselves fought relentlessly, before mostly killing themselves or being killed to prevent capture.
The level of blood shed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unprecedented but it did in fact save untold Japanese civilian and American soldiersā lives.
Crucially, even after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japanese High Command still refused to surrender.
Have you ever even read any of the history of the proposed plan for the invasion of mainland Japan and the reasoning for opposing the Imperial Japanese Government?
Or Is this your opportunity to virtue signal to people on the internet by implying Americans are murderous pigs and the jApAnEsE dId NoThInG wRoNg?
Americans ***ARE ***murderous pigs, and we havenāt changed in the decades since.
Americans are murderous pigs and the jApAnEsE dId NoThInG wRoNg?
how about: they are both murderous pigs?
Just like Ukraine bOmBiNg CiViLiAn TaRgEtS in Russia amirite
Both sides bad I is very smart
(Of course America was bad, but not for bombing Imperial Japan)
Arguably fighting against Japan and Germany in WW2 is one of the only times the US used their military in a justifiable way. Fascism had to be stopped.
The Japanese military expected to lose 20 million people in the very first battle of the invasion, and the Americans were considering using poison gas because the casualties of fighting it out in the streets would have been in the millions of troops. People donāt realize how dark it was in 1945, food shipments had all but ceased, Japan was entering a famine; if the war had dragged on through a land invasion it would have been cataclysmic.
Imperial Japan was far more murderous, in the context of the 2nd World War, which is what this thread is about.
sure, letās dice and slice the context until the USA is always right
In the context of WW2, the United States was morally justified to oppose the Imperial Japanese Government.
to oppose, sureā¦ to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilans?? hmmm dunno
Knowing the necessity for the defeat of the Imperial Japanese government, the burgeoning country-wide famine, combined with the inevitable bloodbath of a mainland invasion, the Allies justified the use of nuclear weapons. Nazi Germany and the USSR were also developing their own nuclear weapon systems. A demonstration was deemed necessary.
I personally would not have authorized dropping the bombs on cities. Easy for me to say. But I certainly would have been living the rest of my days in despair at the mindless slaughter and ritual mass-suicide that wouldāve ensued during the invasion of mainland Japan.
I donāt envy the choices the Allies had to make while combatting Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.
as opposed to just embargo the island now that all the axis had fallen?
no, America wanted the show of force
embargo is cowardly and it amount to practically doing nothing. There are people being murdered by the japanese military on my homeland. Both the CCP and KMT supported the US actions during WW2 regarding japan.
embargo is cowardly
of course, killing civilians is manly
As I said, I donāt know much about history, politics, and war.
Clearly not.
What a lazy and shitty comment.
Youāre right. I do sometimes put more effort into my comments, but this one was not one of those. I simply chose to inform of my lack of knowledge in the probably important fields needed to understand this event, and then said Iād trust 'Muricans speaking, pointing out the claim that the bombing was needed for peace
I used to think along the lines of this too until I visited the Hiroshima Peace Memorial where they tell you about all the ways the US min-maxed the bomb to kill as many people as possible and did it truly as an experiment.
gmtomBut thats dishonest. It assumes that:
The nuking of Japan was the reason they surrendered
The nukes were gauranteed to make then surrender.
Like would it still have been justified if Japan hadnt surrendered? Then youve committed an atrocity for no reason.
Or what about if it was a different atrocity? Would tourturing a few hundred thousand Japanese to death be justified for the same reason?
Especially since it probably wasnāt the reason they surrendered. There are multiple papers on the subject. They didnāt really grasp the difference between the atomic bombs and regular bombing, and the US were carpet bombing multiple other cities at the time. They probably surrendered because of the Soviet advance after failed talks with them, which would definitely reduce their chances to zero.
As someone from the country thatās been conquered by japan: absolutely yes.
Bombing Japan == horrific but better than the alternatives we had.
Though even then there were variables.
The alternative of having to let the soviets get a say in what happens to Japan?
Itās alot easier for them to post a link to a blog than to just say the quiet part out loud.
Sorry, but repeatedly posting a link to some blog doesnāt justify murdering hundreds of thousands, probably millions, of people.