I do wish folks would stop using "alligator alcatraz".
It is a concentration camp.
It is not intended as a form of punishment or deterrence for criminals. It is intended as a means of removing humans the government does not like from society.
It's not a joke, it's not a meme, it's not a t-shirt.
It's a concentration camp.
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I'm told by some respondents that "alligator auschwitz" is better.
1) Why are you fucking meme-ing concentration camps?
2) Why you think everybody knows what Auschwitz was?
3) Why I spozed to think you know the difference between Auschwitz and, say, Theresienstadt? Why I spozed to think you know who even invented concentration camps?
I ain't lookin' to be clever and cool, and I am definitely not looking to be funny. I'm lookin' to tell the simple and plain truth.
me: I don't think we should be making memes about concentration camps.
bros: This is a much better concentration camp meme!
Every single day I am reminded of how our educational systems have failed at building reading comprehension.
@GeePawHill I remember reading, though I can't provide a cite, that desantis wants to open another one. So, Ochopee Concentration Camp. Will have to be specific about which one in Florida.
Edit: here's one: https://www.fox13news.com/news/desantis-reveals-plans-second-ice-detention-center-florida
Gov. Ron DeSantis revealed for the first time on Wednesday that his administration is working on plans for a new ICE detention center at Camp Blanding—Florida’s National Guard training headquarters located southwest of Jacksonville.
Theresienstadt is/was a part of Auschwitz, and was also the name of a ghetto in Czechoslovakia, I think. This is Mastodon, not Twitter. Why do you suppose your audience is so ill-educated about the holocaust? I’m not in favor of giving a concentration camp a cute name, but when government officials are naming it Alligator Alcatraz, calling it out as Alligator Auschwitz seems apt.
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@beckett 1) Not quite an answer. A non-funny meme is still a meme.
2) *Most* Americans aren't going to know either, I'll give you that.
3) Yes, definitely intentionally, and that is why a clever assonant meme is just more of the same, only on "our" "side" instead of "their" "side". Inevitably, when I pick up the enemy's weapons I become the new enemy.
I think there's a legitimate case here. See what you think:
1) a concentration camp is really being built, memes spread and persist effectively, so meme'ing the concentration camp is an effective way to counter the lie that the camp is a prison.
2) because of the scale of WW2. This may be a mistake. Perhaps too many people have forgotten.
3) doesn't matter. The popular knowledge is that Auschwitz was a concentration camp, and alliteration helps the meme. The Spanish invented CCs.
It is also absolutely correct to say it was a concentration camp, because it was. It later became an extermination camp. Before either, it was a military base.
Furthermore, in conversational English, the term extermination camp is synonymous with the term concentration camp.
Same with homeless camps ran by orgs. They are homeless concentration camps yet they keep pushing them and people are okay with it.
@GeePawHill also this…
From Andrea Pitzer
https://youtu.be/stOiKF1Nzuk?feature=shared
She has other relevant videos too as an expert on global concentration camps.
@GeePawHill it's even WORSE ... it is a HUMAN STOCKYARD ... because alligators and
pythons skins are more valuable to BILLIONAIRES and TRILLIONAIRES than HUMANS... 🚨☠🚨☠🚨
never use the words of the enemy
@GeePawHill As a non-American, "Alligator Alcatraz" sounds absolutely horrific and not a meme.
I don't quite get the whole US discussion about it, which seems to imply that a very large number of people find the name "Alligator Alcatraz" amusing or fun, so a harsher name is required.
It's already a very, very harsh name!
@tomw it's a bit hard to explain, but over time Alcatraz became part of popular culture and the only thing you'd have a reference to outside of movies is a tourist area and gift shop. It's more of a brand now than anything (for example this t-shirt worn by Debbie Harry of Blondie). I'm Gen-X era and Alcatraz t-shirts, mugs, etc. were popular when I was growing up. So the word itself doesn't seem harsh to many of us.
Alligators are often cartoonified as "fun" animals (as mascots).
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@tomw yes, it was indeed. But at the same time it has been romanticized* in U.S. pop culture into something hyper-real (I had to recheck the definition before calling it that, but it seems to fit). You can purchase Alcatraz branded infant and children's clothing (edit/correction) from a nearby gift shop.
(* I don't know what the general attitude towards it was like when it was in operation, but it held people who are generally considered "celebrity" criminals like Al Capone.)
@GeePawHill -- I refer to it by the name history should remember it by: Big Cypress Concentration Camp
I live in Florida and have hiked much of the Florida Trail with hopes to one day do the whole thing. I also have ancestors that fled both the Russian pogroms and later the Nationalist Socialist Party. It pains me to see humans doing this, it pains me to see it joked about, and it pains me to see any name that removes it from it's geographic location. It's here, it's in Big Cypress and that's where history needs to remember it.
"Alligator Auschwitz" is a much better gloss.
Auschwitz was an actual concentration camp where people were slaughtered and murdered. If you believe that the Everglades "holding facility" is indeed a concentration camp, then the gloss fits. I don't take my cues from corporate right-wing media, anyway.
@AnthonyJK @GeePawHill In addition to a concentration camp, Auschwitz-Birkenau was an extermination camp.
What is being built in Florida is litterally a concentration camp, yes.
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