Emma (IPG)
Christian Vogel
ENIGMATICO 
@ipg Using slavery.
Vashti@enigmatico @ipg Yeah, it was slaves.
kali@vashti @enigmatico @ipg in fact they weren't but have fun with your #orientalism SMH
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves
@kaliagainstallodds @enigmatico @ipg Thanks, I learned something today. I never heard this before (as opposed to having been constantly told the opposite) and it's actually kind of cool.
Aaron
moonfaced@enigmatico @ipg that fact is actually debated! scientists believe that the workers who built the pyramids were not slaves: https://history.stackexchange.com/a/609
Gundam Boykisser 
@ipg aliens because if non-white people do something it's either aliens or some other conspiracy
Kuo
Autumn (Literally a Fops)
kuriko
Tulpen
nflux.gts :mastodon:@ipg yeah, not sure this is really aiming high as a comparison 😂
John Maxwell@ipg Faster and better, that's how.
George is a moron. Here's an AI version of him:@ipg in that age, there wasn't a concept of basic needs, eg to not use teams etc. So the employers didn't think of not respecting those basic needs because they didn't exist :)
🌱seyon🦇
falkduebbert@ipg Slavery.
@falkduebbert @ipg in fact they weren't but have fun with your orientalism.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves
@kaliagainstallodds @ipg "Sciencefocus" is quoting a bbc documentary full of selective interpretations and inaccuracy
Slavery and Servitude
Author(s): Loprieno, Antonio | Abstract: While various forms of coercion to labor and restriction of individual freedom did exist throughoutEgyptian history, slavery is rather defined by economic than by legal indicators. Some literary textspresent figures of slaves, called Hm (“laborer”) or bAk (“servant”). The documentary evidence ismultifaceted: during the Old Kingdom, very large segments of the population were drawn to corvéework, exemption for religious service and even upward mobility being possible, while foreignprisoners of war were clearly enslaved (sqr-anx). With the emergence of new social elites, Egyptiantexts from the early Middle Kingdom onward display a more distinct consciousness of the differencebetween “free” people, even if at the lower level of the social ladder (nDs), and “servants” (Hm,bAk), conscripts (Hsb), and fugitives (tSj), true slavery being presumably confined to foreignprisoners. The New Kingdom, with its relentless military operations, is the epoch of large-scaleforeign slavery, but also of local—owned or rented—servitude, both of which had becomeeconomically indispensable, adoption of a slave being a common practice leading to “free” status(nmHj). During the first millennium BCE, references to slavery become rare and are superseded byvarious forms of voluntary servitude caused by economic dearth or religious commitment. “Slavery”in the legal, inherited sense of the term unfolds in Egypt during the Hellenistic Period and is basedon capture in war, on purchase in the slave market, and on the enslavement of debtors.
@falkduebbert @kaliagainstallodds @ipg Someone further down in the comments also shared this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
@hosford42 @kaliagainstallodds @ipg Afaik it refers to the same source material. But the presence of (eight) nice "pyramid worker towns" does not exclude the presence of forced labor along the production chain since there are written proofs eg. the penal code. The workers on the site of the great pyramids assembled premade parts from down the Nile and were exempted to many penal codes (please compare to the ocerview i linked). They were also kind of elite workers / stonemasons but a rather small group.
That being said: The level of slavery changed as egypt discovered real economy, even refined craftmanship and gained some vertical social ascension in the later half of the middle kingdom (they still did raids in Africa and the eastern Mediterranea for slave farm workers and women even until facing the Roman invasion).
Diogenes
Brain Bug@junior42 @ipg in fact they weren't but have fun with your orientalism SMH
https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves
@kaliagainstallodds Thanks for the link. Intersting. Did this apply to all pyramid buildings?
Anyway, I am happy to have learned something new, but why do you have to present it in such an arrogant style?
CrazyDogLadysezPEACE@kaliagainstallodds @junior42 @ipg IMHO, the orientalist barb was called for. People who post like reply guys shouldn’t be offended when someone treats them like a reply guy. Cool of you to apologize anyway.
@heartofcoyote
You can teach something to someone without being resentful against them for not knowing in the first place. One does not necessarily think of checking every bit of information they've been breastfed since infancy once they acquire some critical thinking.
If the correction is rejected, then it becomes orientalism. Before that, it's only unfortunate ignorance and an opportunity to become one of the 10000.
@kaliagainstallodds @junior42 @ipg
@heartofcoyote @junior42 @ipg the barbs literally brought science and medicine to europe. visit the iberian peninsular, they are very proud of that herritage.
@kaliagainstallodds I know about the huge achievements of the oriental sciences.
However, I think the meme is bs anyway, because it implies a backlash in efficiency, which I would deny, and it neglects working conditions - and these were horrible in ancient times in all parts of the planet. My answer would habe vmbeen the same if the question would have been, say, "how could they build Notre Dame".
Anyway, I know too little about egypt history, this is what I learnt 😉
monkee 
@kaliagainstallodds @junior42 @ipg
Ha! I have the same Problem.
It got better since i mainly do SoMe on the Fedi. The Groove here is definitely different. And i like it.
Ha! I have the same Problem.
It got better since i mainly do SoMe on the Fedi. The Groove here is definitely different. And i like it.
@kaliagainstallodds @ipg It's OK 😊 I can relate, I know it from explaining non-vegans again and again the most basic facts, and you never know if the other one is someone who is open or who just wants to shout out their false opinion...
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SirWumpus 👾🍁
Anarch157a (He/Him/Ele)All the people commenting about slaves, please don't, it's a myth.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt
Mateusz 🏳️🌈@ipg It must have been aliens 👽
Florian 
❣️no kings, with gravy and friends@ipg human enslavement, by the rich, for the rich.
@ipg which seems to be the point of teams, pitch decks and a.i. baloney…
Petabites
Respectable Normie, Esq.@ipg 💠 by disregarding injuries and deaths of the workforce!
... wait
... wait
Bill, organizer of stuff@ipg Beer. It was beer.
Diane
Paul_IPv6pretty sure the pyramids were the first large scale use of productivity tools and jira.
no one but a pharaoh could afford them and they resulted in a huge pile of stuff that took years to finish.
NinjaDebuggerYou can tell it's union work though, because it's largely still standing.
Mira
BowieChilde
stefani banerian@ipg space aliens
fnrir 
'; DO A FLIP; --@ipg and big data
and crypto
and nfts
and... uhh... [insert buzzword]
and crypto
and nfts
and... uhh... [insert buzzword]
Mikołaj Hołysz@ipg With slaves. A lot of slaves. Most of whom died.
If that's the world you want to live in... you do you.
HolgerH 霍尔格@ipg @DelilahTech
They just had well educated people trainend and empowered to develop these technics.
That all.
Well, they bot some bis stone blocks too.
Just look around can you see such people around you?
They just had well educated people trainend and empowered to develop these technics.
That all.
Well, they bot some bis stone blocks too.
Just look around can you see such people around you?
feliks@ipg for people who are into alts
Scythian 🏹 || صْكِفْ@ipg аутар мема прапануе павярнуцца да батугоў і рабаўладальніцтва як альтэрнатыве тымс? 😅
Iris Van K