Cursed SiliconJun 25

You know, with how the Xlibre thing is unfolding

I'm kind of proud of myself for knowing which way those shit winds were blowing the moment I heard about it

Show threadKevin Karhan Jun 25

@CursedSilicon +9001%

Really sets the tone for all those Wayland-rejectors...
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114729147014938946

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Attached: 2 images Also shoutout to [this](https://libretooth.gr/@yianiris) entiled POS that decided to [vomit his unwanted hatemail into the mentions]( https://libretooth.gr/@yianiris/114729023983287550) before being *the biggest coward I've seen* since Ro! - DO YOU THINK I'M A COMPLETE IDIOT, DIPSHIT? Your cowardice is a disgrace for for the fediverse and *yet another piece of evidence* that all the clichees of #SystemDhaters & #WaylandHaters are not exaggerated but true! - What an asshole...

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Show threadxenia   :padoru: Jun 25
@kkarhan in my opinion, there are reasons for people to still use X11. Wayland is improving, but it has many, many issues that need to be solved. And many inconsistencies between implementations too.
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Show threadCursed SiliconJun 25

@gettie @kkarhan There's definitely reasons to stay on X11 (for now!)

But they're reasons *to fix Wayland*. Not to regress back, plant a flag and say "no more!"

They're the same kinds of clowns that bleat "THE UNIX WAY!" as if computers haven't changed since the 1960's

Show threadKevin Karhan Jun 25

@CursedSilicon @gettie Eeyupp!

Same as with #SystemD: Shit's more dynamic and we can't sell people systems with #SysVinit startup speeds in the minutes like in 2007.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo

Noone would've started either project if the preceding solutions were "fine". Cuz they weren't!

The Tragedy of systemd

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Show threadxenia   :padoru: Jun 25
@kkarhan personally i don't mind using any init system that gets the work done. For years i've been messing with Void Linux on my personal system and it runs pretty well, and i like runit. But on server-related stuff, i have to work with systemd. While i'm not a fan, it has its merits.

In my opinion, we don't have to blindly reject using a tool, but also we should have the option to use alternatives when we can.
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Show threadCursed Silicon

@gettie @kkarhan I have to admit. Going back in time to sysvinit (and rc.d scripts!) made me *long* for Gentoo's OpenRC (which I backported to my 2008 build of Gentoo on my "Ultimate Win98 PC")

Earnestly feel that the progression of "popular init systems" has largely been improvements

Jun 25 at 7:35pmWeb
Show threadKevin Karhan Jun 25

@CursedSilicon @gettie mostly because #systemD (and it's competitiors) took all the right lessions:

  • Start less
  • Start more in parallel
  • Resolve dependencies to avoid waiting times

And basically everyone (#OpenRC, #Upstart, etc. Even #LaunchD [the #init for #macOS that is literally the SystemD but before SystemD and by Apple] and #SMF [#Sun's SystemD for #Solaris] did that to allow for boot times in secinds, not minutes…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo&t=12m17s

The Tragedy of systemd

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