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MizGanzer 2d ago

Reminder that, once investigators got past Elon’s tactics of hiding real driving and accident data, #Tesla cars were found to be the most dangerous and lethal cars on US roads.

But I’m sure the new taxis will be great.

https://fuelarc.com/cars/tesla-robotaxi-freaks-out-and-drives-into-oncoming-traffic-on-first-day/

Tesla Robotaxi Freaks Out and Drives into Oncoming Traffic on First Day - FuelArc News

Watch this video of Tesla’s Robotaxi, and let me know what you think: In a 22 minute drive, I saw: All told, these early rider videos are a mess. This isn’t beta testing. It’s stress testing… and the autonomous tech is failing the test. Broad Daylight, Clear Skies: It’ll Never Be Easier to Not Mess […]

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Tofu Golem 2d ago

@chartier
If you are surprised, bow your head in shame.

CaliCarol 2d ago

This was caused by a guy in India driving a pretend robot car.

I read an article about Tesla using human drivers in India recently, and thought... what?? Don't they drive on the other side of the road?

That_Damn_Frank 2d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBJUKVAoTQY&t=8s

@chartier Can we stop F'n testing in prod already? Especially when "prod" is full of actual living humans?

WestCoastCliche 2d ago

@chartier Give it a mulligan. It's just nervous, first day and everything.

Bebadefabo 2d ago

@chartier make them uninsurable. At some point all the vandalism alone is going to push insurance companies into making rates untenable #TeslaTakedown

Oliver Schafeld 2d ago

Tesla has their own insurance.

Speculating about the reason:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/would-having-their-own-insuran-hZpoggMzS1G8UCIUOteyoA

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/tesla-and-nhtsa-withholds-data-on-autopilot-crashes-report-suggests-41723099534545.html

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/musks-tesla-seeks-guard-crash-data-public-disclosure-2025-06-04/

@chartier Thanks for the reminder? and yeah, that’s fraud.

Travis Scott 2d ago

@chartier as if the no right to repair or Apartheid Elon nonsense wasn’t obvious enough

BenjaminKlein 2d ago

@chartier NHTSA should have more than just questions, they should have requirements for self driving vehicles to pass before being allowed on the road. Requirements that include LiDAR.

@chartier I'd slither the distance on my stomach before I'd set foot in anything Musk had a hand in.

Jargoggles 2d ago

@chartier
Maybe applying Silicon Valley's "move fast and break things" mentality isn't a great idea for a car company.

@chartier i wonder if it recognizes artificial road bumps. where i live, in some areas you have to slow down to maybe 10mph that it feels "not hurting the car" when riding over it.

@chartier Sounds like it works just like his rockets!!

Joris Meys 2d ago

@chartier how much I detest Tesla, that is actually not true. The danger is the self driving, but the car is among the safest for other users of the public domain. The study only looked at fatality for the ppl in the car, not the ppl in other cars. Quite obvious being run over by one of those small weener tanks is lethal, and that's counted as a fatal crash for the little car. Quite ridiculous study to be fair

https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

The 23 Most Dangerous Cars On The Road - iSeeCars.com

The fatal accident rate is now 2.8 per billion miles and the Hyundai Venue is the car with the highest fatal accident rate, while Tesla has the highest...

Oliver Schafeld 2d ago

The cars seem to offer industry standard safety. Reliability is lagging. The traffic safety — i.e. considering the drivers — paints a very different picture.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/compared-to-other-brands-how-s-XEMhj3vwRC.x5hj5.v6dVg

»Tesla Again Has The Highest Accident Rate Of Any Auto Brand«

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

Oliver Schafeld 2d ago

... and b.t.w.: those accident rates on "Autopilot" are self-reported by Tesla. 😏

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/compared-to-other-brands-how-s-XEMhj3vwRC.x5hj5.v6dVg

Joris Meys 2d ago

@oliver_schafeld I've given you the actual study that was based on, and what you shared, confirmed what I said. I hate Tesla, but the car is not unsafe (it's in fact among the safest according to NCAP standards). You even showed a screenshot saying that it's the driver. Literally. You even highlighted it.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=54301,51097&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997,54278,54293&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false

Electric Vehicles | Euro NCAP

Find the safety ratings of full-electric cars tested by Euro NCAP. These results are arranged by the year of test and by star rating.

Oliver Schafeld 2d ago

I understood the original thread author's point as the driving assistant — which for Tesla is a key (sales and) car component — seeming to be a safety hazard. Not mechanical flaws or anything like that.

Could it be that the three of us actually agree on the driver (whether flawed "robotaxipilot" or reckless person) being the main risk factor?

No need to argue in that case 😌

@chartier I wonder how they do the commands on these things, I know my former employer completely redid the control system for the much more simple bots they run. They had a set of control standards that they needed to meet that the previous command system didn’t comply with.

François @Prague 2d ago

Musk and Trump have one thing in common (spoiler alert Trump is not a billionaire): they have a cult of gullible followers

@chartier #crashNotAccident, of course capitalism would externalize the costs of failure rather than give up a little profit to get it right.

Paul Collings 2d ago

All controlled by China remotely.

Cowboy Who?2d ago

@chartier ¿seems like normal Austin driving?

Sheean Spoel 2d ago

@chartier TBF the Teslas not even running autonomously in the Vegas Loop tells me more than enough that their self driving crap is nowhere near production ready

Maggie Maybe 2d ago

@chartier even if they were safer the fact that people get trapped in them regularly is terrifying to me.

I resisted buying a car with electric windows for as long as I possibly could because when I was in a teenager I was in a car that hit a phone pole and caught on fire. We couldn’t open the doors because the front end was crammed into the doors. There was no power of course. Someone let us out the hatchback, but ever since then I’ve been terrified of getting trapped in a car after an accident.

Eric Lawton 2d ago

If the data were published, then anyone using a Tesla would be partly responsible for injuries and damage.

But if people are not aware, then Musk is wholly, personally responsible.
@Szescstopni

John Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺2d ago

Linked article (with link around paywall to Bloomberg):

https://archive.is/uNKeA

"Tesla Robotaxi Incidents Draw Scrutiny From US Safety Agency"

By Craig Trudell and Kara Carlson
June 23, 2025 at 4:14 PM UTC
Updated on June 23, 2025 at 9:54 PM UTC

"The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is gathering additional information from Tesla and will take necessary actions to protect road safety following an assessment of the reports and other relevant information.
US auto safety regulators are looking into incidents where Tesla Inc.’s self-driving robotaxis appeared to violate traffic laws during the company’s first day offering paid rides in Austin.
..."

John Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺2d ago

@chartier I'm glad that I gave up on Austin (and Texas) and moved back to Silicon Valley.

If a human driver did this, they'd lose their license.

Clearly Musk should too.

David Chartier 1d ago

@johnlogic Isn’t the Valley ground zero for this robo taxi stuff though? Except there it’s a different company, Waymo or something? I don’t follow it closely.

John Carlsen 🇺🇸🇳🇱🇪🇺1d ago

@chartier yes, there are a bunch of companies testing cars with various degrees of autonomy. I regularly see production cars outfitted with additional sensors (LIDAR, etc.). Some are marked Wayve, Nuro, etc.; many are unmarked.

John "John Davies" Davies ☑️1d ago

@chartier And we won't mention the Cybertrucks that have the self-ignite feature 🤭