David Chartier3d ago

Reminder that, once investigators got past Elon’s tactics of hiding real driving and accident data, #Tesla cars were found to be the most dangerous and lethal cars on US roads.

But I’m sure the new taxis will be great.

https://fuelarc.com/cars/tesla-robotaxi-freaks-out-and-drives-into-oncoming-traffic-on-first-day/

Tesla Robotaxi Freaks Out and Drives into Oncoming Traffic on First Day - FuelArc News

Watch this video of Tesla’s Robotaxi, and let me know what you think: In a 22 minute drive, I saw: All told, these early rider videos are a mess. This isn’t beta testing. It’s stress testing… and the autonomous tech is failing the test. Broad Daylight, Clear Skies: It’ll Never Be Easier to Not Mess […]

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Show threadJoris Meys

@chartier how much I detest Tesla, that is actually not true. The danger is the self driving, but the car is among the safest for other users of the public domain. The study only looked at fatality for the ppl in the car, not the ppl in other cars. Quite obvious being run over by one of those small weener tanks is lethal, and that's counted as a fatal crash for the little car. Quite ridiculous study to be fair

https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024

The 23 Most Dangerous Cars On The Road - iSeeCars.com

The fatal accident rate is now 2.8 per billion miles and the Hyundai Venue is the car with the highest fatal accident rate, while Tesla has the highest...

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Show threadOliver Schafeld3d ago

The cars seem to offer industry standard safety. Reliability is lagging. The traffic safety — i.e. considering the drivers — paints a very different picture.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/compared-to-other-brands-how-s-XEMhj3vwRC.x5hj5.v6dVg

»Tesla Again Has The Highest Accident Rate Of Any Auto Brand«

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevebanker/2025/02/11/tesla-again-has-the-highest-accident-rate-of-any-auto-brand/

Show threadOliver Schafeld3d ago

... and b.t.w.: those accident rates on "Autopilot" are self-reported by Tesla. 😏

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/compared-to-other-brands-how-s-XEMhj3vwRC.x5hj5.v6dVg

Show threadJoris Meys3d ago

@oliver_schafeld I've given you the actual study that was based on, and what you shared, confirmed what I said. I hate Tesla, but the car is not unsafe (it's in fact among the safest according to NCAP standards). You even showed a screenshot saying that it's the driver. Literally. You even highlighted it.

https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/electric-vehicles/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=54301,51097&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997,54278,54293&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false

Electric Vehicles | Euro NCAP

Find the safety ratings of full-electric cars tested by Euro NCAP. These results are arranged by the year of test and by star rating.

Show threadOliver Schafeld2d ago

I understood the original thread author's point as the driving assistant — which for Tesla is a key (sales and) car component — seeming to be a safety hazard. Not mechanical flaws or anything like that.

Could it be that the three of us actually agree on the driver (whether flawed "robotaxipilot" or reckless person) being the main risk factor?

No need to argue in that case 😌