As an ADHDer, I have a “busy” mind, and I always have a “to do/buy/project” list, in my mind &/or written down. And on a good day, I can get a lot done, leaving me feeling very accomplished.

As an ADHDer, I can be easily distracted, resulting in lots of unfinished or not even started tasks, resulting in a sense of failure & sometimes, panic. I can put things down and forget where I left them, leaving a trail of clutter in my wake.

As an ADHDer, I like change. I have had a variety of jobs and studied a range of courses. I like dealing with people, getting to know different types of people from a range of backgrounds & life experiences. And I love travel. I’ve studied people all of my life, formally & informally, not just in an attempt to work myself out and try to fit in, but because I find people fascinating.

As an autistic person, I like to know what’s going on, so that I can be prepared and organised. I don’t mind surprises if they don’t result in sudden, significant, unanticipated and highly disruptive changes in plans.

I also find clutter difficult to process and sometimes overwhelming. (Think all those fluoro pricing tickets in Chemist Warehouse.) I like my house to look lived in, comfortable, not like a hotel room, but not wholly cluttered.

Crowds, certain types of noise & loud noises, bright & or flashing lights and chemical smells can be unpleasant, overwhelming and even distressing. “Participating” in a crowd, such as in an audience or a protest march is different, because I know the “rules”, and we all have the same purpose. I feel like I belong, to some extent.

Being both ADHD & autistic can be …interesting. Sometimes one will balance out the worst aspects of the other. Sometimes the best aspects of both work brilliantly together. Sometimes they clash confusingly in ways that leave ourselves & others wondering wtf.

@actuallyautistic
#actuallyautistic
#ADHD
#AuADHD

@Susan60
Owwww I feel this so much!!  
I'm not too good when there are too many people around, but when with some friends, I can enjoy it.
But yeah, I really felt this... Being AuDHD surely has some interesting challenges for sure.
@actuallyautistic

@PixysJourney @actuallyautistic

I suspect that a lot of late diagnosed are AuADHD, which helped to divert any thoughts of being either one by us or anyone else. We can present as “normal” more easily, but can irritate the hell out of ourselves & others.

@Susan60
Owwww that sounds very likely for sure. 😊 I'm very capable of annoying myself loads... 😇
@actuallyautistic
@PixysJourney @actuallyautistic
😂😂😂😂😭😂😂😭😭

@Susan60
Something like that for sure! 😁

Edited because I missed the stupid typo... 😊
@actuallyautistic

@PixysJourney @actuallyautistic

I just made a spectacular typo. Meant to write duck…

@Susan60
😂 Hahahaha! I totally understand that one! 😂
@actuallyautistic
@Susan60 @PixysJourney @actuallyautistic
I feel definitely the case with me. The balance between the two, allowed me to stay unrealised for far longer than I should have been able to, especially looking back and realising how much stands out like a sore thumb.

@pathfinder @PixysJourney @actuallyautistic

Balance… & contrast & confusion. And like most aspects of neurodivergence, being both has its advantages too.

@Susan60
Indeed! Finding a balance in life can be helpful but also very challenging and energy consuming... 😔

@pathfinder @actuallyautistic

@Susan60 @actuallyautistic

I've never had it put quite this well. This is pretty much exactly my experience

@RobotDiver @actuallyautistic

It’s probably been brewing in the back of my head for quite some time. 😊

@Susan60 @actuallyautistic I feel so dumb because I didn’t even know this (ADHD and autism together) was a thing until I came to this platform. I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until my early 30s, but I relate to this.

I think I threw away my lap top power cord. I sort of remember pulling an extra cord out from under something and deciding I didn’t know what it went to and I wasn’t going to keep it. It wouldn’t have happened if I didn’t have two different deceased people‘s laptops I don’t know what to do with, which means I have three. And I got confused about whose cord it was I guess, but it was in my way a couple times so I had to do something with it. I thought I was doing a good decluttering. Oops. (This is the second time I’ve done this in 15 years. When I call it the #ADHDtax it makes it easier to forgive myself.)

@maggiejk @Susan60 @actuallyautistic Pro tip: masking tape! Wrap a few inches of masking tape around it and write on it what it goes to. For best results, a piece on each end for when you’re grumpily dragging it out from under your desk/chair/butt/dog and are inclined to toss it somewhere in disgust.

At some point, I went nuts and tagged every loose cord in my home. I should do that again.

@splott @maggiejk @actuallyautistic

These are the sorts of things that keep us (relatively) sane.

@maggiejk
It's okay, I accidentally applied for a passport twice without realising and they are not going to pay back the extra application cost.
@Susan60 @actuallyautistic

@ideogram @maggiejk @actuallyautistic

🤦🏻‍♀️

Maggie I was diagnosed ADHD at 62 and then realised I’m autistic. Masked so well I fooled myself.

@ideogram @maggiejk @actuallyautistic

It’s so much easier to notice this stuff I. Others than ourselves. I think internalised ableism has something to do with it, at least in my case.

@Susan60
Same. But probably true for most older people: hence the lowering diagnosis rate as age increases.
@maggiejk @actuallyautistic

@ideogram @maggiejk @actuallyautistic

Well, what we “knew” about autism was so limited when we were younger. My FIL, silent generation, is a very strong candidate for autism. I can’t help but wonder to what extent screening oldies for neurodivergence when screening for dementia of various types, and accommodating them appropriately, would reduce their dementia symptoms. and whether accommodating them much better earlier & therefore reducing stress etc, might slow the onset of any dementia in the first place.

@Susan60

As an ADHDer, I like change.

I'm an ADHDer, but I very much don't like change. Sure, I make occasional changes to my routine, but only infrequently and very deliberately. This however is one of the reasons I believe I might be on the spectrum as well. When something upsets my routine, it can put me into a spiral for the whole day.

@me

Aaah…

My theory is that ADHD is just a subset of autistic traits, hence the common overlap. People first diagnosed with autism are more likely to then get an ADHD diagnosis than vice versa, which I put down to stigma. Having got an ADHD diagnosis, some people are happy to stop there.

But being the person I am, ever curious, I wasn’t happy to stop there and kept researching. But I haven’t bothered with a formal diagnosis. At my age/stage, and with my particular traits etc, I don’t think it’s necessary. If I was 10-20 years younger & still working…

@me

And of course we’re all different, varied bundles of traits, personalities, life experiences, cultures etc.

@Susan60 your theory goes very well with mine that says that [at least it's like that for me, 100%!] the ADHD ONLY is appearing with its "bad" symptoms when I'm in utter stressful situations/weeks/months so that the Autism can no longer juggle that out. I do not remember any ADHDy handicaps when being a child, but in retrospect can spot lots of othering and hindrance bc of the autism [am late diagnosed with both due to me pushing hard, at 43]. Very insightful, what you wrote, thanks!

@rebekka_m

You’re welcome. I’m in my 60s, 30 years slower than you, probably due to the extreme ignorance & stigma around any type of disability when I was a kid. Any disability which could be tolerated, ignored & masked, was.

I first became aware of children being diagnosed as “hyperactive” in the 80s when I was a parent, but neither my kids nor myself fitted this type. And that was seen as a behavioural disorder, not a “disability”, with a lot of people blaming parents for a lack of discipline.

I was a keen learner as a small child, so didn’t drift off in to daydreams or get easily distracted unless I was not engaged, which didn’t happen much in primary school (everything was so interesting!) and seemed to be the norm for lots of kids in high school. (Commerce was so utterly boring.)

But my autism was much more apparent when I look back. Such a social justice warrior, conscientious, honest, sensitive,
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I think the ability to tolerate sensory stimuli probably decreases as we age, as a result of cumulative stress on our nervous system etc. I didn’t like strobe effects etc much as a teen when they became a thing (disco era), but can’t tolerate them at all now. Obviously some autistic people are very sensitive from day one, but my sensitivity back then was mostly emotional.

@Susan60 really the same for me, exactly what you describe - and just for the record it's just 20 years in-between us :)!
@Susan60

This is beautiful. Thank you for sharing.

@ewen
Oh, thank you.

I love to share my thoughts here. People don’t have to agree, but when that happens, it’s usually about nuance, or different personal experiences, and nearly always respectful, although misunderstandings can occur.

It might be “safer” to keep my thoughts to myself, but I have always felt stifled when I’ve tried to do that.