Jet
Chris PetrilliMy sister sent me this and boy do I feel this in my bones. My 50+ bones.
Robin
Coach@petrillic hell yeah!
(Except for in a zombie apocalypse, don't follow me. I'm lasting like 6 minutes)
AndreaRemember, you don't have to run very fast, you just have to run faster than the slow person next to you.
NKT
Andreas K@Dss
Ah, use your brain.
Off you cannot outrun the other person, it's okay to use whatever means to slow the other person.
It's not like the other person will be able to raise a complaint with the race organiser, or if they will be it's not very probable that you will care about it.
@ninedragons @Coacharming @petrillic
Sass, David@yacc143 @Dss @ninedragons @Coacharming @petrillic
I'm sure there will be enough zombies for everyone one, no need to run at all.
Ilka 🌐@yacc143 @Dss @ninedragons @Coacharming @petrillic I resent the tactic to sabotage others, or slow them down. If you can't run (fast enough) stand silently. The idiots will weed out by screaming and drawing all the zombies at them.
@yacc143 @ninedragons @Coacharming @petrillic Better, I think, to save everyone and rebuild society.
Em 
@petrillic @Coacharming @ninedragons I run very slow. But I like to imagine my death saves the kind protagonist escaping the zombies while I get devoured within the first 5 minutes of the apocalypse starting.
Tom BortelsLasting 6 minutes is *still a plan*.
Ernst Greiner 🇪🇺
retech@petrillic I'm an X. When I was 21 I spoke with a Soc. prof & said our parents dissected every institution we had, laid open the corpse of society, tried to find answers to all of it. Which everyone should. But they did it when we were their children, in front of us, giving us the entire world at the earliest age humans had ever done it. But they never gave us any structure to replace it. Something we need to start with. The brightest kids with no direction & no rules left to fend for ourselves.
anticdent@r3t3ch @petrillic Damn, this is encapsulates something I’ve been trying to articulate for years. Thanks.
Bill Seitz
@r3t3ch @petrillic you can co-create new rules with a tribe, esp if you live close
@billseitz @petrillic I think it's deeper than just basics like don't be a dick to ppl. We have large long lasting structure as a base to jump from. It evolved to be that. Tearing it down was their goal. But they never asked why it was there & what purpose it served. You cannot give children the knowledge of old sages, the tools of mad scientists, the creativity of the arts, leave them alone, and expect them to generate a functioning society. If you do... well you get this shithole we're in now.
@r3t3ch @petrillic Chesterton's salad fork.
@r3t3ch @petrillic more seriously, what structures are you focusing on
@billseitz @petrillic Gov't, Social order/society, Religion. To be clear, I have never agreed with the way the presented to me & am 100% atheist. When hippies actively attacked those & showed us their flaws & reasons why we needed to change, that's wonderful. Not so sure it's wise to show 5yr olds, but the intent was good. But they never offered fuck all to replace it. Instead they became the sellouts they rallied against, in greater strength than ever before. We then, by teens, had to ask>>
@billseitz @petrillic >> why the fuck we should even try. We're smart, we've got a great start, we know how to survive, we'll just take whatever we can and damn the consequences, that's what are parents did. Granted, this is broad strokes, obviously there are exceptions. But this is a generation, not small groups or individuals. I think the generational malaise and fuck this shit POV of Gen X is pretty clearly derived from this early exposure and complete lack of alternatives. You need to have>>
@r3t3ch @petrillic have you ever read Diamond Age? It has many interesting bits on social structures and raising children.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/DiamondAge
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/DiamondAge
@billseitz @petrillic Nope. Granted I could be full of shit, I'm ok with that. But this just was my observations as a human. I'm very much anti(group)social, not a fan of gov't but don't know an alt way to get people to not be dicks, and think religion has and will keep us from every living on other planets. But I have those POVs because I got to see them. I've never read much on societies past the Republic and a few of Adam Smith's essays.
@r3t3ch @petrillic I'm pretty sure people were dicks before, too. You're having RETVRN nostalgia for a past you didn't experience.
@r3t3ch @petrillic I think most people are fine going through life staying in lanes. And most are still doing that.
In the past, opting out of that required becoming a loner/rebel/outlaw.
Or joining a Secret Society.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/HistoricalIlluminatusChronicles
In the past, opting out of that required becoming a loner/rebel/outlaw.
Or joining a Secret Society.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/HistoricalIlluminatusChronicles
@r3t3ch @petrillic now there's a lot of people given meta-freedom, but few have come up with a more flexible variety. (Also there's still a lot of risk in seeking non-standard ways making a living.)
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/NetworkEnlightenment
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/NetworkEnlightenment
@billseitz @petrillic It still does. Want to be an artist or promote your business, want to collaborate with colleagues or start a book club... do it on Facebook or Xitter or it'll never take off. That's a helluva lane to contain the planet too. But it's working pretty damn well.
@billseitz @petrillic Not at all. I don't think humans have ever done anything but feed off one another. In regards to Gen X, I think it was the generation to get the first (probably last) big headstart on the others. Exposure and knowledge the parents didn't generally experience until well into their late 20's or more. But that too was a lesson in human potential to implode. My personal POV is that the species is incapable to move past this level.
@r3t3ch @petrillic you might also like this series on Communities that Abide.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2013-07-03-OrlovCommunitiesThatAbide
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2013-07-03-OrlovCommunitiesThatAbide
@r3t3ch @petrillic and this (more chill) effort in a San Francisco neighborhood.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2024-03-03-BennNeighborhoodUpdate11TheVillageRetreatTreehouseAndCohousing
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2024-03-03-BennNeighborhoodUpdate11TheVillageRetreatTreehouseAndCohousing
@billseitz @petrillic My rather dark take on anything like that is very fast failure. Unless you can raise an entire generation of humans without outside influence in some utopian ethos, the failure rate is 100%. Greed is the reason. All forms of current human governance (small to huge) always end up rewarding the squeaky wheel. A commune or community cannot sustain if any individual wants 1% more than their share for any sustained amount of time. The ruleset to stop it will degrade the group.
@r3t3ch @petrillic there are some long-lived intentional communities out there. So not *quite* 100%.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/IntentionalCommunity
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/IntentionalCommunity
Shannon Clark@r3t3ch @billseitz @petrillic There are, in fact, lots of long lasting examples
- I have friends who have lived in the same cohousing community for going on close to 20 years (in Berkeley). They in fact work as consultants to other cohousing and similar groups nationwide and internationally. And have for decades. It may not get a lot of press but lots of people quietly form variations of cohousing (on a larger scale The Villages senior living communities are a partial take on this as well)
@r3t3ch @billseitz @petrillic In Israel there are many long lasting Kibbutz (though I haven’t looked into their most recent history)
But community and shared groups don’t have to mean literally sharing living together. There are many smaller scale examples that get little attention but are powerful and meaningful.
My small community in San Jose has a community pool (I’m one of 188 households that own it in common) non-owners have a 5yr waitlist. We have events year round pool in warm months
@r3t3ch @billseitz @petrillic Such groups take effort to sustain (a board and processes to raise funds and pay the budgets/maintain the facilities etc) but they have succeeded in doing that for over 50 years. In Chicago I was part of two long running coops (both ended in the mid2000’s though the Seminary Co-op Bookstore remains as a non-profit bookstore) but also part of a condo association that had been around for decades and managed our building with long term care (and little drama just skill
@Rycaut @billseitz @petrillic A group bookstore or a pool are vastly different than a group of humans relying on one another for essential life services. While they do not need to live together to do this, they do need a critical level of interdependency. And doing so without outside funding or influence seems also impossible (if the general examples you site are all). I'm honestly not looking for an argument and unwilling to sustain one. If you have some hard data to share, please post a link.
@Rycaut @billseitz @petrillic Let them know if they ever need a live-in maintenance dude to give me a call. Sculpting seems to have giving me a great skill set for doing that now, but being in SF around the artists and galleries that support my work would be wonderful. I'd also love to be proven wrong in this topic. The ones I've known have all fallen into some form of Draconian parliaments.
@r3t3ch @billseitz @petrillic I don’t know what they need. Though I do know the successful ones I’ve seen are largely driven by being largely equally owned (cohousing here means individuals own their own apartments or small properties but have extensive shared facilities often including large kitchens and frequently share some meals and managing the common spaces. Often they like a co-op or condo have a process to interview new buyers and many limit renting. I lived in one in Oakland for a month
@r3t3ch @petrillic how did your parents turn out otherwise?
@billseitz @petrillic One was a psychotic narcissist manifesting in Munchausen by Proxy, the other a stoic capitalist who tried to be curious about the world but was generally contemptible thinking everyone else was "just fuckin stupid". I know one is dead, the other I am unsure about.
@r3t3ch @petrillic that might be coloring your macro outlook a whole lot.
@billseitz @petrillic On some levels certainly. Realised it was and moved out at 17, never kept up with either of them. Saw no need. Granted I'm a nihilist. But I have yet to see any, even small, egalitarian structure work for more than a brief time. If there's one out there, it's cloaked to stay alive.
@r3t3ch @petrillic "egalitarian" might be a Fragile/brittle GameRule. .
@billseitz @petrillic Cool, so right back to the shithole we recreate ad infinitum. A perfectly closed loop. And Fermi wondered about this, what fools these mortals be.
@r3t3ch @billseitz @petrillic It's the older generation still cocking it up though. Trunp isn't "gen X" - he's 80!
@Dss @billseitz @petrillic They were never able to admit a mistake or learn from them. They just slammed forward thinking the next great idea they had would save them. They saw being wrong as a failure and still do. It's not learning where the failure lay, and they've got a solid 90yrs of doing just that.
Doc Chaotic 🇺🇦🖖@r3t3ch @petrillic That's a very nice way of saying our parents were too self absorbed to care where their kids were at 11pm.
@pcat @petrillic And they still are. They're grasping as they gasp out their dying breath. Regurgitating all the vitriol they fermented over a lifetime that they assumed they could fob off on us. When they found no answers in that blaze of youthful bravado, then had nowhere to go. They still clung to the Puritan ethos in dark corners hoping that could be their fallback. Now they self-righteously claim the gods they rejected are their only salvation. Total fuckup of an entire generation.
@r3t3ch @petrillic They were possibly the first generation to decide to not give the future a better world than they received.
@pcat @petrillic I don't think that was intentional. I do believe they genuinely started out to change the old structures. But they were brazen with no plan. The hubris of the former way filled in the gaps when they came up short and tried to recoil back to an earlier state. But anything in a process here moves in only one direction. Unable to admit fault they cycled fuck-up/cover-up ad infinitum. Thus crushing whatever good they did and leaving a crater in the wake. Gen X floundered as well.
Orion Ussner kidder@r3t3ch @petrillic Yes. This is it. Deconstruction without any reconstruction.
@OrionKidder @r3t3ch @petrillic Literally trunp's plan. "Tear it all down, & let the chips fall where they may." He has no plan, he only has outrage and power grasping.
Dusty Hôltunger@petrillic I love this so much.
Free Teks for sale, cheap@petrillic Preach it.
oscarfalconThis hits great, chef's kiss!
Alexander Krumeich@petrillic @kiki We are Gen X. We install your printers.
Axel Gutmann
poetaster@akrumeich I also do plumbing.
Adam Jacobs 🇺🇦@petrillic GenXer here. I literally have a written plan for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Remco@petrillic I needed to see that. <3
Legit_Spaghetti@petrillic The reason we're so self-sufficient is because we survived a fuckton of trauma passed down by Boomers and Silent Generation parents/grandparents.