@petrillic I'm an X. When I was 21 I spoke with a Soc. prof & said our parents dissected every institution we had, laid open the corpse of society, tried to find answers to all of it. Which everyone should. But they did it when we were their children, in front of us, giving us the entire world at the earliest age humans had ever done it. But they never gave us any structure to replace it. Something we need to start with. The brightest kids with no direction & no rules left to fend for ourselves.

@r3t3ch @petrillic you're on your own for that.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/SocialFiction

@r3t3ch @petrillic you can co-create new rules with a tribe, esp if you live close

@billseitz @petrillic I think it's deeper than just basics like don't be a dick to ppl. We have large long lasting structure as a base to jump from. It evolved to be that. Tearing it down was their goal. But they never asked why it was there & what purpose it served. You cannot give children the knowledge of old sages, the tools of mad scientists, the creativity of the arts, leave them alone, and expect them to generate a functioning society. If you do... well you get this shithole we're in now.

@r3t3ch @petrillic Chesterton's salad fork.

@r3t3ch @petrillic more seriously, what structures are you focusing on

@billseitz @petrillic Gov't, Social order/society, Religion. To be clear, I have never agreed with the way the presented to me & am 100% atheist. When hippies actively attacked those & showed us their flaws & reasons why we needed to change, that's wonderful. Not so sure it's wise to show 5yr olds, but the intent was good. But they never offered fuck all to replace it. Instead they became the sellouts they rallied against, in greater strength than ever before. We then, by teens, had to ask>>

@billseitz @petrillic >> why the fuck we should even try. We're smart, we've got a great start, we know how to survive, we'll just take whatever we can and damn the consequences, that's what are parents did. Granted, this is broad strokes, obviously there are exceptions. But this is a generation, not small groups or individuals. I think the generational malaise and fuck this shit POV of Gen X is pretty clearly derived from this early exposure and complete lack of alternatives. You need to have>>

@r3t3ch @petrillic have you ever read Diamond Age? It has many interesting bits on social structures and raising children.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/DiamondAge

@r3t3ch @petrillic you might also like this series on Communities that Abide.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2013-07-03-OrlovCommunitiesThatAbide

@r3t3ch @petrillic and this (more chill) effort in a San Francisco neighborhood.
http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/2024-03-03-BennNeighborhoodUpdate11TheVillageRetreatTreehouseAndCohousing

@billseitz @petrillic My rather dark take on anything like that is very fast failure. Unless you can raise an entire generation of humans without outside influence in some utopian ethos, the failure rate is 100%. Greed is the reason. All forms of current human governance (small to huge) always end up rewarding the squeaky wheel. A commune or community cannot sustain if any individual wants 1% more than their share for any sustained amount of time. The ruleset to stop it will degrade the group.