@neil I feel like I'm being chased around the Internet by a slimy AI slop monster that's insidiously engulfing everything I use. It used to be I could just ignore the rubbish bits of the net I didn't like, but no longer.
I hate being forced to move just to avoid all this, not to mention the time involved in learning new tools. And who's to say the services/products I move to won't also succumb?
It's exhausting.
And it takes a huge chunk of enjoyment out of being a fan of tech and computers.
@http_error_418 @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil toy got me thinking about the cars and I realize there should be a "taking control of your automotive data" talk at #DEFCON's #CarHackingVillage if there hasn't been already.
In any case #EFF has a good article on the subject, and it may be as easy as removing a fuse.
Also, here Is a guide for different manufacturers
Cars collect a lot of our personal data, and car companies disclose a lot of that data to third parties. Itโs often unclear whatโs being collected, and what's being shared and with whom. A recent New York Times article highlighted how data is shared by G.M. with insurance companies, sometimes...
@steve @http_error_418 @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil
Oh this so much.
Mrs Sheddi has an electric VW. It has an API that our EV charger can connect to, so the charger can know how full the battery is and can automatically charge by the right amount. (There are good battery-life reasons not to simply "charge until full" every time.)
VW want ยฃ90 a year to give us access to our own car's info.
@sheddi @steve @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil waitwaitwait
So when it charges, the charger connects OUT TO THE INTERNET in order to know the state of the car it is charging, instead of having a way of directly querying the car through a physical connection you are ALREADY MAKING
@http_error_418 @steve @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil
Yes, that seems to be the case!
The charger and the car both connect (via their individual cellular data services) to their respective cloud servers, which then do whatever tango they've agreed.
All the while there's a physical (& electrical) connection between the two of them.
@steve @http_error_418 @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil well, guess what: @EUCommission made that illegal due to mandating #eCall and "#OTA #Updates"...
@kelpana @steve @http_error_418 @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil @EUCommission you never heard of #eCall or "mandatory #OTA Update Support"?
So welcome to the #BraveNewWorld where #CarManufacturers can just decide to make your car illegal and where legislators think "This is fine!" because apparently they don't give a shit about #ClimateChange and how much energy it takes to build #cars and their components!
@steve you're not alone with this. Do you know about https://docs.openvehicles.com/ already?
@steve dabbling in car hacking I'm very biased on this ๐คท
Likeโฆ asking customers twice a year for 90 bucks to re-learn TPMS sensors via CAN - a job of 5 minutes after changing tyres - is imho highly immoral. Yes this is a direct jab at Renault.
@bekopharm Is this not something that the tyre shop can do for you as part of changing the tyres?
But I'll agree that all main dealers are pretty crap when it comes to charging ยฃ150 for "diagnostics", where "diagnostics" means 5 minutes plugging in to the OBD II port and reading codes, which you could do yourself with a ยฃ20 device.
@steve error codes yes. _Setting_ anything is specific though and manufacturers tend to abuse this and make it a secret so unaffiliated shops have to purchase hardware explicit from that manufacturer. This is especially true when it comes to e.g. TPMS.
And this hardware is expensive, of course. Not because it's complicated and went to new highs of technical engineering - it's simply an artificial monopoly.
Any gorram smartphone can issue ODB commands via serial o0
@steve it's what every official dealer is supposed to charge by list.
Yes a decent tyre dealer will just ask for a donation to the coffee fund. Been there :)
@steve @http_error_418 @JohannaMakesGames @gilester45 @neil Leaving this useful thread in case anyone needs it:
I posted this on Vortex, but figured ya'll may want it here too. --- EDIT: As several people have added to this thread, this is NOT the proper way to take apart your interior trim pieces. The "pull on it" method works, but will break some of the plastic retaining tabs on the AC vent trim and...
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