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Duane GranYour future doctor is using ChatGPT to pass medical school, so you better start riding a bike and eating healthy now.
Ericka Simone@duanegran LOL OMG
Rachel_CxY@ErickaSimone @duanegran omg you are so right I am scared now 😭😭
Magical Cat@duanegran In country where I was born (non-existent now for decades) and in country where I lived most of my life (and was lucky to run alive out of there), this is the norm. And with lack of belief in efficiency of healthy lifestyle and eating practices, there is a joke I would retell in modern way like this:"If nothing serious, search in Wikipedia, if something serious - be ready to die with dignity".
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PS: jokes aside, I just don't get it: so I have a question now: how to pass anatomy exam with ChatGPT?
Like this: you got a ticket with question like so: "Please point out the stapes bone of these 10 bones on table?".
I guess students would be pissed off very much if they found that there are questions in medicine which are demand anatomy knowledge....
PS: jokes aside, I just don't get it: so I have a question now: how to pass anatomy exam with ChatGPT?
Like this: you got a ticket with question like so: "Please point out the stapes bone of these 10 bones on table?".
I guess students would be pissed off very much if they found that there are questions in medicine which are demand anatomy knowledge....
HarryKrischner@koteisaev
first of all and before we make the first incision : where is the 6th finger on the patients hand?
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first of all and before we make the first incision : where is the 6th finger on the patients hand?
@duanegran
Frank Bennett@koteisaev @duanegran Ooh, you'll enjoy this exchange that I had with Israeli med students in Bucharest, in 1982 👇
https://indieweb.social/@fgbjr/114516451442219930
https://indieweb.social/@fgbjr/114516451442219930
Enola Knezevic@koteisaev @duanegran Then you use the same tool you use for checking if the mushrooms you picked are edible: Google Lens.
𝗣𝗠𝗝 👽but don't forget; your future mechanic and future agriculturist are also using chatgpt to pass their exams, so you better start building your own bike and grow your own food 😅
MarjorieR@pmj @duanegran well it's always been the case that we let engineering students get a degree on a pass mark of 40%, even without LLM assistance, so watch out next time you cross a bridge or fly in a plane they might have later designed.
MightyPirate™ 🏳️🌈
Miha Markič@duanegran Just don't crash with your bike 🤪
Shephallmassive@duanegran Of course riding your bike in some parts of the UK is probably not s good health choice due to lack of infrastructure particularly if your councils aren’t too keen on cyclists. Just walking round some town is still a bit of a challenge to your health too traffic wise..
Steve@Shephallmassive @duanegran my MO is to take up more space where there is no cycling infrastructure. See how keen they are on providing it if enough people do it
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Hraban (fiëé visuëlle)@duanegran ~10 years ago working in a post-soviet state, we were advised to prefer old doctors who studied in soviet universities, because the whole educational and health system broke down with the USSR. Analphabetism and conspiracy theories are on the rise, antivaxers already caused measles epidemies long before Covid.
I’m not a communist and the USSR was a dictature, but capitalism doesn’t deliver. Enshittification kills education.
I’m not a communist and the USSR was a dictature, but capitalism doesn’t deliver. Enshittification kills education.
Jesus Margar… we need alternatives.
Capitalism works quite well while it’s under control. We had that while “the west” had to prove they’re better than “the east”. But still, capitalism needs to be embedded in and exploit non-capitalist structures, from unpaid care work up to slave labour (e.g. in colonies); i.e. it’s based on racism (colonialism) and sexism. I don’t want that.
@fiee @duanegran My point is that socialist countries worked better and I'd further argue that they were not less democratic that many current capitalist EU countries.
I don’t think so. I’m not sure if truly socialist countries ever existed.
I believe in human rights, personal freedoms and protection of minorities (except the super-rich, of course).
Maybe Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia in 1968 were on a good path, I don’t know enough.
Cuba and China seem to work well nowadays, but on what terms? Yes, probably on better terms than many other countries, but good enough to want that?
Jackie 🍉 
@fiee @duanegran I personally think that the USSR was objectively better than Putin's brand of fascism, although I would argue it was neither socialist or capitalist.
Elias Probst@duanegran my medical future:
Joachim ArraszIt's all about the Story of the Movie "Idiocracy"
@duanegran I'm hoping exams are closed book?
Mx Verda@jesusmargar open book exams aren't any easier if you've never read the book before and/or if all the terms are new to you. @duanegran
@MxVerda @duanegran
These days it's hard to have books in non digital format. For instance, British universities haves et themselves the target to have all essential books available to any student at any point, which means that for logistical reasons they only make them available online. Then it becomes nearly impossible not to have Chatbots available during the exam.
These days it's hard to have books in non digital format. For instance, British universities haves et themselves the target to have all essential books available to any student at any point, which means that for logistical reasons they only make them available online. Then it becomes nearly impossible not to have Chatbots available during the exam.
@jesusmargar and what, their IT people aren't given time to implement a list of acceptable websites on campus computers? @duanegran
@MxVerda @duanegran in practice it doesn’t happen. I’ve been pulled to invigilate exams where I need to be checking they don’t go into websites but it would be difficult if they could go into some websites only.
@jesusmargar I know, I know. I've been a student, staff, and IT creature. It's infuriating how difficult / impossible it is to do the things that would actually *fix* anything. @duanegran
Rob 🇺🇦 🇵🇸@duanegran I wish this were satire (I teach med students).
gino@duanegran Your future doctor IS ChatGPT 🥲
Hannes@duanegran Current car-drivers are using chatgpt while driving, so I'm not sure riding a bike is much healthier...
Matilda Love@duanegran i'll ride a bike all the way to the chatgpt server farm. and once i get there, i'll
have a nice healthy picnic of course :3
Syl (Sylvia Bun) 
@matildalove @duanegran make sure you make smores before you leave!
Reinald Kirchner@duanegran eating healthy and riding bike for everything shorter than 5km might be a wise decision anyway, totally independend from your future doctors education.
Shantell Powell@Reinald @duanegran why for shorter than 5 km? I tend to choose riding my bike over walking the longer the trip. If I'm just gonna go to the corner store a block away, I walk.
@Shanmonster @duanegran different people have different needs. For most people about 5km is the threshold between "quick and easy ride" and "effort and sweating involved, and time invest".
If you like to walk - go ahead. If you like to ride longer than 5km - feel free. But please don't assume your preferences would be good for everybody.
@Reinald @duanegran I did not assume that. There is a significant problem with bike theft where I live, so I tend to use my bike for the trips which are too long for me to walk, that's all.
@Reinald @duanegran FWIW, when I was going to college, my choices for getting there were a 2-hour bus ride or a 50-minute bike ride.
@duanegran some doctors are using chatgpt to make diagnoses right now, because they understand medicine and not computer science
martinl 🇨🇦🤝🇺🇦@flying_saucers @duanegran I would argue that, if they *did* understand medicine, they wouldn't need to use a fucking chatbot in the first place. 😀
@martinl @duanegran it's for things like complicated (read as time consuming) formula calculations, where they tell the chatbot the formula and the base inputs and expect an accurate result back
@flying_saucers Will someone tell them chatbots suck at math, hard?
DziadekThe beauty of med school is that they test your knowledge fiercely and in detail. If you cannot accurately identify and describe every part of the body and its function you’re gonna fail. Diagnosis is another thing and could be a problem if they use ChatGPT, ie blatantly disregard everything they were taught in practice. I won’t worry as it will be the shit doctors using it and they would probably have killed me anyway.
MostlyTato@duanegran
Your future doctor will be ChatGPT.
Your future doctor will be ChatGPT.
Peter Brown@duanegran interesting how universities is in other countries place less emphasis on written exams and more emphasis on oral exams. If ChatGPT is to become a thing then we need to re-introduce oral examination to ensure the candidate actually knows what they’re talking about.
Vincent 🦾 🤖@duanegran
And he will be reading clinical trials reported by chatGPT too likely...
WulfyCounterpoint: You're in the deep dark Africa. Your nurse station is 150 km away via a "road" passable only by 4x4 that gets a Doctor visit once a month. But you have a cell signal.
...or you live in the US where patients shoot insurance executives in the head because they are denied care.
1a1nC@duanegran Depressing thought!
demian 😷☭⚧ (he/they)@duanegran and wearing a mask to avoid covid, bird flu and others !
aarontempler@duanegran @ErickaSimone Your future doc is also being TAUGHT with ChatGPT.
@aarontempler @duanegran STOP AMPING UP THE HORROR STORY 🙃
RobJLow@duanegran I remember seeing the medical school students when I was an undergrad. I swore then never to fall ill. (And that was, if it needs saying, long before chatGPT.)
Randall Lee@duanegran Surprise! I'm using chatgpt to treat myself.
frater mus@duanegran I'd rather med students be assisted by AI than undergo the memorization deathmarch and sleep deprivation of the present American system.
🇩🇰Blue. Zelensky.@duanegran Okay. I’m staying with my 70 year old doctor that doesn’t stay informed with newest information about my condition. Just great. We’re fuck either way.
Daniel Gibson@duanegran
So I outlive the existing doctors and have to be treated by those hacks when I'm old?
No thanks :-p
So I outlive the existing doctors and have to be treated by those hacks when I'm old?
No thanks :-p
hobbsc@duanegran
they are already using it to do a lot of their paperwork, including things directly relating to the patient and their ailments.
they are already using it to do a lot of their paperwork, including things directly relating to the patient and their ailments.
Beanface42@duanegran already planned!