✧✦Catherine✦✧payoneer thinks your name could include digits but not symbols
this is certainly a take
is there any country that allows digits in human names?
i'm learning that the world is even more interesting than i thought
Graham Sutherland / Polynomial@whitequark yes, a few US states don't prohibit it (e.g. Florida, Delaware, Hawaii, and quite a few others)
@gsuberland huh, wild.
Ryan Finnie@whitequark I don't know if it's actually registered with any government body, but I first thought of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_8._Lee
Timjan@whitequark
Did the fElon have to rename the kid of his that used the number 12?
Did the fElon have to rename the kid of his that used the number 12?
Maya@whitequark Names like 新一 comes to mind as a example of where no-one would blink twice at a name containing a digit, unlike the US, where it's seen as eccentric in the places where it is allowed.
yomna@whitequark Not quite that, but numbers are used in words/names in the Arabic chat alphabet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_chat_alphabet
إمي ❄️🏳️⚧️🇵🇸@rival_elf @whitequark Nah, that's not really proper Arabic, just something people did in chat messages. And nobody does that anymore.
(Source: I'm an Arabic speaker who lived in that era)
(Source: I'm an Arabic speaker who lived in that era)
@emmy maybe it's not as popular in certain regions? but I'm still using it daily / regularly talk to people who use it often
@rival_elf Interesting. I remember using it back when phones had a number pad and you pressed a number multiple times to get a specific letter. Back then some phones didn't even have Arabic at all. I find it fascinating that people would still use it with touch keyboards where entering a number requires switching to the symbol keyboard.
sabik@whitequark
Canada, presumably?
Ian Douglas Scott@whitequark Obviously you should *at least* allow ASCII names.
A name like "[CR] [BEL] [NUL] Jr" has a nice ring to it.
tef
I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!@tef @whitequark Smoneth is amazing
doll!@steve @tef @whitequark old webcomic joke about a robot named 5er0, pronounced "Vernon" (5 = roman V, 0 = "none")
Daniel Luz@steve @tef @whitequark But my name is actually Sm17h, should I spell it as Smonesevenh or Smseventeenh?
@tef incredible
@whitequark meanwhile ICAO suggests any numbers should be in roman numerals, like "John Doe III"
0xC0DEC0DE07EA@tef @whitequark unappreciated details in Seven Mary Three’s origins
Philip Guenther@tef @whitequark How can they be so sure those are cardinals and not ordinals? I suspect Mary Smfirstth doesn’t like having their name mangled
Mira @ WATCH TATAMI GALAXY@tef @whitequark Arabic speakers often use numbers when transliterating sounds not in English
Ma’moun@argentumcation @tef @whitequark That’s a new generation thing, used mainly for writing Arabic words using an English keyboard. Arabic names don’t have numbers though.
Tom Forsyth
We Will All Go Together When We Go
Trammell Hudson@tef @whitequark I'm disappointed one of the examples isn't Lady 3Jane Marie-France Tessier-Ashpool
Mark Shane Hayden@whitequark some hoity toity folk who aren't Esquire or Junior might be the 3rd, 4th or 5th but may prefer to not use Roman numerals or spell it out is what I am thinking, and I some jurisdictions around the world allow it. All the systems I have worked with permit numbers for this reason. Here in Canada rules vary by province but generally require such names to use Roman numerals or spelled out in English or French.
Strangely enough although you cannot have Arabic numbers or non-roman alphabet characters in your government registered name you CAN have the following punctuation in your name in most of Canada:
! " # $ % & ’ ( ) * + , – . / : ; > = < ? [ ] \ ^ ` ´ ¸ @
Punctuation was permitted to allow more accurate representation of indigenous and foreign names within the constraints of the Roman alphabet.
Basically no system should make assumptions about names and they should really just use one big happy UTF8 field.
@msh i assumed that "3rd" would not be a part of your "name on birth certificate"
@whitequark assumptions can be hazardous. I have in fact seen a (foreign) birth certificate with "3rd" as a suffix, and on a case by case basis the number 7 or the symbol ? have been allowed (or will soon be) on birth certificates of indigenous people in recent years in Canada.
A range of symbols as well as numbers are technically supported in most registry systems in Canada although anything other than .,-' are not generally permitted in names without a HUGE amount of hassle.
Pxl Phile@whitequark do you happen to know about the programmer falsehoods collection? Namely (badum tush 🥁) the one about names here
https://github.com/kdeldycke/awesome-falsehood?tab=readme-ov-file#human-identity
Philipp Blum@whitequark Payoneer is pretty wild in itself. The whole construct is puhh sus at best.
@citrullin not like i have a choice
@whitequark Fair . . .
@whitequark But honestly. I have yet to find a better and mostly lawful solution to fix that.
1.3.6.1.4.1.61513@whitequark punycode names
@whitequark so many Irish folk gonna be taking their shillelaghs to the head of a database designer somewhere
@msh @whitequark
In theory, there is a letter apostrophe — ʼ — so you could spell it (for example) OʼBrien
In practice, I'm sure that'll trigger an entirely different class of bugs and problems
aksh1618
Kai Lu:ke@whitequark They are prepared for a Cloud-Atlas-like future