#actuallyautistic
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I mean, I’d never heard of Autism or neurotype, I didn’t know I was, “masking,” I just knew there was all this shit everyone has to do, school, work, marriage, and I was slow getting onto all of it, but I thought I’d managed it, had a job and a family and a house and a mortgage, despite not being made for any of it, it was all hard. I never knew why, but I always knew that nothing came naturally to me and the only thing that got me through was a three digit IQ - that’s neurotype, isn’t it, nothing automatic and a great deal of mental energy is spent navigating a world you don’t have the keys to.
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But I thought I found a way, I thought I’d made my way in that forever foreign world, and I took some pride in that.
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But learning late in life that not even family knows me, or understands anything I say, finding out that language doesn’t work from here to there, how are you supposed to deal with that? For me this the end of the flowchart, there’s nothing to be done, nothing to try next.
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All I can think about is that, that WTF are you supposed to do with no communications? 💔

@punishmenthurts Strong relate. Much of what my family said was necessary and basic, and easy to do, I struggled, I was behind in learnign to speak, drink, eat, sleep... I still cant get my body to complay to the ways that society said I should act and behave.

We have communication.... there seems to be a breakdown between us the autistics, and them the typicals.

I wish there was a recognition that our autistic language is different than the typicals.

So much in language that's incompatable

@GreenRoc @punishmenthurts One of the basics of communication is the Cooperative Principle, which says that parties trying to communicate have to both cooperate to make it happen, which includes making allowances and adjustments for how the other party communicates. Most people understand that intuitively, and get upset when the other party is uncooperative. I wonder if some of the difficulty is that we use different non-verbal signaling than allistics do, so we each appear to the other as not cooperating because we don't see them using the right non-verbal signals. Then each side thinks the other is being uncooperative, and things break down. Hmmm, gotta think about this one some more.

@joshsusser @punishmenthurts I've only known about the Cooperative principle for a few weeks...

So I've lived 47 years without knowing about this thing.

@GreenRoc @punishmenthurts I don't think most people have heard of the principle, but most people understand it intuitively to some extent. Otherwise communication would never happen and people would just shout at each other all the time.
@joshsusser @GreenRoc
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Hey, I'm listening again, because I sort of missed it, but Sapolsky said today that there is literal language in one area of the brain, and another area where tone is processed!
https://youtu.be/5DQ_A5yvum4?si=m2wHQ7g2gCkGCkao
#59: Marshmallow Test, Language Wiring, NSSI’s | Robert Sapolsky Father-Offspring Interviews

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@punishmenthurts @GreenRoc ah you have more patience than i do. but that makes sense - animals with no grasp of human language still react to tone of voice
@joshsusser @GreenRoc
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Ha - what Polonius said, control your tone, that's all they hear, like dogs

@punishmenthurts @joshsusser i was often told, I'm tone deaf.

I was unaware of other forms of communication outside of words, until I was in my 20's and a therapist told me about tone, body language, and facial expressions.

three forms of communication I was oblivious to. I suspect my lack of learning those signals was from my parents having such a heavy focus on getting me to "use your words" while my finger points and non-verbal grunts were ignored by them.

So I paid no attention to theirs.

@GreenRoc @joshsusser
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. . . but in theory they can use the telephone 😈
@punishmenthurts @joshsusser I wish there was more recognition that texting can be a primary form of communication. I text better than I speak with my mouth... Less pace/volume to fight with (dyspraxia)
@GreenRoc @joshsusser
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the whole world is rushing everybody, gawd forbid anyone stop and think about anything.
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Never get any killin' done if you go about thinking all the time. 💔

@joshsusser @GreenRoc @punishmenthurts

We communicate differently from them, both in words, and also in non-verbal stuff, body language, and so on. We do it *all* a little differently.

Autists communicate well with other autists; allistics communicate well with other allistics. But when we cross neurotypes is when the confusion begins.

@PatternChaser @joshsusser @punishmenthurts A Communication breakdown between both neurotypes, yep yep.

I get along great with most other autistics. No hidden messages!

@joshsusser @GreenRoc @punishmenthurts very familiar… and I’m adding to this thread #NVC as a toolset - specifically, “how we talk to ourselves” as a prequel to communicating to another : some resources : https://wiki.techinc.nl/User:Becha/NVC (I’ve experienced this in 3 languages & non-verbal too!)
User:Becha/NVC - Technologia Incognita