KᑐᑌᑐᕮApr 4
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The EU initiative Going Dark has now been launched by the EU Commission. They call it ProtectEU.

It’s a rebranding of Chat Control. New name. Same old propaganda.

The EU Commission’s goal is to “access encrypted data in a lawful manner, safeguarding cybersecurity and fundamental rights.”

Read the full release from the Commission here:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52025PC0148

EUR-Lex - 52025PC0148 - EN - EUR-Lex

Apr 4 at 10:49amWeb
Show threadHuubjeApr 4
@mullvadnet the fuck they will
Show threadmaradoApr 4

@mullvadnet

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"terrorism"
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"Children"
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.oO( some things never change )

Show threadRolingMetalApr 4
@marado @mullvadnet That, and some AI! What could go wrong :)
It all sounds like a lot of scare mongering!
Show threadgrob 🇺🇦Apr 4
@mullvadnet oof. Maybe they should think about how to fill the INT gaps regarding Russia left by US Trumpism before sourcing private citizens' data.
Show threadMarkus OjalaApr 4
@Saramo , please have a look. If encryption is outlawed, it will harm citizens not criminals. A backdoor EU / Officials can use is a backdoor for all immoral actors.
Show threadananasApr 4

@mojala @Saramo

I wish Finnish politicians -- and especially MEPs and MEP candidates -- took more visible approach to opposing this in general, I'm so bloody tired of writing emails all around to make sure anyone I vote in any relevant elections is in strong opposition to this BS.

Five years of what feels like fighting windmills. Europol has to be the institution I have grown to distrust more than any other European institution, and that includes Orban's government.

Show threadMarkus OjalaApr 4
@ananas @Saramo Some might, for example mentioned Saramo and colleagues Kyllönen and Andersson but for the fucking nihilists in epp no fucking hope. Salla worked for meta; chat control would be the best for them and the right wing authoritarians. The same with the Finnish reps from other parties. Maybe the greens might flip flop to the rights side but that would be accidental.
Show threadSaramoApr 5
@mojala @ananas We have opposed chat control and have already raised criticism of the new proposal with the responsible commissioner. We are not the only ones, the aforementioned EPP member Salla and the Greens are also critical.
Show threadMarkus OjalaApr 5
@Saramo @ananas very surprising about Salla! Would have thought her masters voice would have still held sway. Well, here's hoping you guys get to nix it!
Show threaddexternemrodApr 6

@mojala

@Saramo

No, the plan is to create backdoors that only law-enforcement can use! Criminals will still be stoped! /sarcasm

Show threadold_manApr 4
@mullvadnet ... well it's dated Apr 1rst which still won't prevent AT least wasteful spending offen taxpayers money.
Show threadold_manApr 4
@mullvadnet Also the whole EU ithing s going grey with such kind of crap. Instead of providing useful information for member states there's just scam now which seems that things like gdpr, customer and nature protection happened by accident.
Show threadRejZoRApr 4
@mullvadnet They just really want the Stasi regime back again, don't they?
Show threadPapageierApr 4
@mullvadnet You cannot access encrypted data in a lawful manner. You simply can't.
Show threadwoxom98179Apr 4

@mullvadnet "assess technological solutions that would enable law enforcement authorities to access encrypted data in a lawful manner"

If it's encrypted they can't access it, if they can access it, it's not encrypted. That's the f***ing definition of (e2e) encryption

EU trying to make sure water is not wet..

Show threadIan K. Rogers ikr?╭ರ_ಠApr 4
@mullvadnet Controllez un chat, c'est pas possible
Show threadKamiApr 4
@mullvadnet I'd expect the exact opposite from an initiative named "Going Dark"
Show threadTheZeldaZone👑🏳️‍⚧️🎮🎀Apr 4
@mullvadnet Cementing my theory the EU commission is not actually sensible on tech, they just hate tech in any situation and are accidentally right sometimes because of how bad most tech companies are.
Show threadCM30Apr 4

@mullvadnet how many times will they keep pushing this crap before people have enough and tell them to stop? We know full well that you can’t have secure encryption that only allows ‘lawful’ access, and that any attempts to weaken existing systems will just make things worse.

Sorry, at least you guys understand what’s up and fight for privacy and online rights.

Show threadkatzenberger 🇺🇦Apr 4

@mullvadnet

Not just #ChatControl.

Can't wait for #Orban, and consequently #Putin, to get hold of this:

»This will enable secure #automated exchanges of #fingerprints, #DNA profiles, #vehicle registration data, #facial images, and police #records through EU routers. At national level, Member States need to implement the Information Exchange Directive enhancing information exchange channels for seamless cross-border information flow, while ensuring their integration with Union-level systems, such as SIENA«

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52025PC0148

EUR-Lex - 52025PC0148 - EN - EUR-Lex

Show threadslotosApr 4

@mullvadnet

> The terrorist threat level in Europe continues to loom. … They target their radicalisation and recruitment efforts specifically towards the most vulnerable sections of our societies and in particular certain young people.

So how about we care about most vulnerable sections of our societies for a change?!

Fucking hypocrites.

Show threadFrjttrApr 4
@mullvadnet horrible choice. I hope this will fail. Ursula is truly useless and dumb.
Show threadThe DubsterApr 4
@mullvadnet That's the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
Show threadHerman 🇪🇺🇺🇦🇾🇪🍋Apr 4
@mullvadnet They will never stop trying.
Show threadThe Great Llama Apr 4
@mullvadnet
As I've said before: encryption is like a condom in that you can't *safely* put holes in it.
Show threadkuulmanApr 4
@mullvadnet
I'd like to see initiative called "splinter EU and scatter it into the winds"
Show threadkikiApr 4
@mullvadnet
@EUCommission That is shameful. We should and can do way better!
@cryptpad
Show threadUrzlApr 4

@mullvadnet The EU needs to learn from us here in the USA.

The answer to people acting like our GOP is *not* to start acting like our Democrats.

@EUCommission Seems important you understand this point. Neoliberal fascist-adjacent policy just gives the fascists better tools to kill you with later.

Show threadMillyApr 4
@mullvadnet So how do we force our "representatives" to pass a law that makes these kinds of initiatives illegal? If not, they'll just keep trying, becoming sneakier and sneakier until it's the kind of covert drivel we laugh at the US for doing.
Show threadChimmie Firefly 💙💜🤍Apr 4
@mullvadnet where can I sign against this?
Show threadMuhammadFree🇵🇸Apr 4
@mullvadnet yet another threat to our freedom... From the EU, which thinks to be on the good part of the story
Show thread6R1M R34P3R Apr 4
@mullvadnet and this is why people need to speak their mind to brussels instead of just ignoring it and just letting those politicians do whatever they want
Show threadkhobochkaApr 4
@mullvadnet it sure seems unlawful to try to push the same exact thing through after getting a "no" several times over, innit?
Show threadMarshall SutherlandApr 4
safeguarding your fundamental rights by violating your fundamental rights
Show threadRasmus LindegaardApr 5

@mullvadnet there we have it:

"present a Technology Roadmap on encryption to identify and assess technological solutions to enable lawful access to data by law enforcement authorities in 2026"

In other words no more end to end encryption.

Show threadsunsetdriverApr 5
@mullvadnet @glynmoody Don't get me started...
Show threadMysturjiApr 5

@mullvadnet
‘The EU Commission’s goal is to “access encrypted data in a lawful manner, safeguarding cybersecurity and fundamental rights.”’

@EUCommission
You can’t have both.
Pick one.
Choose carefully.

Show threadTero HänninenApr 5
@mullvadnet they really threw in ALL the propaganda words into that
Show threadRasmus LindegaardApr 5
@mullvadnet eu representative contacted
Show threadAnthropyApr 5

@mullvadnet
end to end encryption is end to end encryption.

There's no lawful way to access this without legalizing either breaking encryption (which always fucks up) or backdooring people's end devices (which always fucks up).

I get the desire but there's just no way to do this without fucking things up. You really need to let go of this @EUCommission

Show threadHenri VerymetaldevApr 5

@anthropy @mullvadnet @EUCommission

LOL!!

@K4bergen THIS!! (i've never been overly confident in tech)

Show threadENIGMATICO  Apr 5
@mullvadnet Can the EU explain to me how is this going to help law enforcement, exactly? Because if Im a terrorist and I am planing an attack, I can easily send a message without anyone noticing by simply sending a seemingly inoffensive message using specific keywords that only the people I'd be working with knows. And I dont need E2EE for this. Not to mention, PGP, LUKS, etc, are a thing. I can simply sign a text file or something with PGP, or create a loop file as a device and make a LUKS container on it, and share the file.

So I ask again, what good is this thing going to do?
Show threadSteve HoldenApr 5
@mullvadnet another unrealistic scheme by people with no fundamental understanding of the technologies they seek to control.
Show threadBernie the WordsmithApr 5
@mullvadnet Hey @pluralistic, seems the @EUCommission is trying to slide another "nerd harder" surveillance bill https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A52025PC0148
EUR-Lex - 52025PC0148 - EN - EUR-Lex

Show threadJoeBecomeTheSunApr 5
@mullvadnet So basically the eurocrats have moved from think of the children excuses to national security excuses. If the government can break the law during an emergency than it will create an emergency to break the law.
Show threadjesterchen42Apr 6
@mullvadnet Please keep the name "chat control" forever, as suggested by @stf here: https://chaos.social/@stf/114286068611358056
stf (@stf@chaos.social)

The european commission is repackaging #chatcontrol as #protectEU - don't let them change the framing, never use #protectEU, always, always use #chatcontrol - do not let them take control of neither the chats, nor the discussion.

chaos.social
Show threadPeterApr 6
@mullvadnet lawful... #hungary, #slovakia … not the kind of regimes I see using this in a lawful manner
Show threadraspberryswirlApr 6
@mullvadnet thank you @EU_Commission @EUCouncil WASTNG our taxmoney. just make your income and corp income transparent
Show threadcrabbyApr 6

Fascism is knocking again. Let's keep the fucking door shut.
Ironic little detail: the link gives me a 403 when accessing through tor.

@mullvadnet

Show threadEmu OtoriApr 6
@mullvadnet Aw man, alright, someone reset the counter of days without the EU trying to pass dystopian internet laws.
Show threadNuno & Lua Apr 6

@mullvadnet

Access encrypted data? no, thank you @EUCommission we don't need more fascists perverts looking at private communications, stop wasting money on this.

Show threadMilosApr 8
@mullvadnet These idiots should be confronted on what is the exact purpose of these laws. If criminals know that chats are being monitored, they are not going to use them. Well, there will be a few fools who will get caught, but overall that won't make any difference.
Make them admit that they want Stasi style mass surveillance.
Show threadhapxApr 8
@mullvadnet @postmarketOS postmarket get back to work!!!
Show threadLoverApr 12
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