George Takei 
🏳️🌈🖖🏽No mercy for this bozo.
HowToPhil (Phillip R)@georgetakei These "rules for men" are effing unhinged
Hans van Zijst@George Takei :verified: 🏳️🌈🖖🏽 Holy sh*t, is this dude for real??
"I have rules for men"? Go f*ck yourself!
/me takes a sip from his milkshake through a straw, while sitting with crossed legs.
"I have rules for men"? Go f*ck yourself!
/me takes a sip from his milkshake through a straw, while sitting with crossed legs.
Licho@georgetakei imagine being so insecure about your masculinity to be ashamed to drink a milk shake in public.
And what is wrong with... A soup?! I enjoy soup. I have NEVER seen anyone attack a soup. Do they hate the joy of a thicc chicken broth? Soups are the best kind of food in the world, it's madness to hate them.
Mike@georgetakei What makes him think he gets to set rules? If I want a milkshake, I'm going to have one. And I'll use a straw. Hell, from now on I'm going to eat my soup with a straw too. I'll cross my legs while I'm doing it.
Paul Lalonde@georgetakei "don't drink from a straw". Tell me you're ashamed of giving blowjobs without telling me you're giving blowjobs.
cqd_sos@georgetakei
I wouldn't hesitate to support his (single use plastic) straw rule though, for men, women and children alike, as they're a major contributor to marine plastic pollution across the globe.
I wouldn't hesitate to support his (single use plastic) straw rule though, for men, women and children alike, as they're a major contributor to marine plastic pollution across the globe.
trenchworms@cqd_sos No. They aren't.
@trenchworms
Regarding the numbers, straws and stirrers are 8th on the list in the US, 9th globally.
https://oceanconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/ICCAnnualReport2024_Digital.pdf
Regarding the numbers, straws and stirrers are 8th on the list in the US, 9th globally.
https://oceanconservancy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/ICCAnnualReport2024_Digital.pdf
AccordionBruce@cqd_sos @trenchworms
Depending on the numbers, and left out of that survey of beach plastic
If we want to include large floating plastic debris, #Greenpeace says at least 10% of all plastic in the ocean is abandoned fishing gear
So straws are low hanging fruit at best, and lead to abuse of #disabled people who need them at worst
https://www.sinergiaanimalinternational.org/single-post/2019/11/12/85-of-the-rubbish-at-some-parts-of-the-oceans-is-fishing-gear
85% of the rubbish at some parts of the oceans is fishing gear
A new report released by Greenpeace has concluded that lost or deliberately abandoned fishing gear is one of the biggest plastic polluters in the oceans, representing up to 85% of the rubbish on the seafloor on seamounts and ocean ridges, and in the Great Pacific Gyre. This number confirms the results of another study showing that fishing nets account for 46% of the trash found in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch, and the majority of the rest is composed of other industrial-level fishing gear. T
(a) Those numbers are all estimates, which focus on the gyres. Whereas the ICC numbers reflect what they actually collect from beaches and waterways.
(b) There are alternatives to single use plastic straws. For a suggestion, see image. (You brought a poor example, because sippy cups are actually in common use among the elderly and disabled).
@cqd_sos If your argument for straws being a major component of marine plastic pollution, globally, relies on a paper that assesses by count and on coasts alone, and does not mention FISHING NETS, which actually account for a major part of marine plastic pollution, then it's extremely hard to take you as a credible source in this conversation.
Straws make up 0.025% of the total plastics that enter the ocean. Treating them like a unique priority is like complaining about the flammability of an empty matchbox while your house is on fire.
People will genuinely twist themselves into knots about straws to save marine life but will not stop eating marine life to save marine life. Make it make sense?
@trenchworms
Source? If you're referring to the Greenpeace report, that's been addressed in my response to the other dude already.
You know, the oceans are large, which is why getting precise figures is so difficult. In fact, the only hard figures we have come from the ICC, whose 2024 report I previously mentioned.
@cqd_sos "Trump bad" is indeed true but it's indicative of an utterly captured neoliberal mindset to pretend like this is meaningful. Biden could have achieved a thousand time more impact just by approving fewer drilling permits himself.
Straws are a distraction and making them a priority is such classic ineffectual liberalism it will no doubt be studied for years to come (while our world implodes from actual meaningful threats that are ignored in favour of unhinged individualism).
@trenchworms
Bit of a rant, isn't it. Nobody said it was a priority, only that it was a problem. Addressing multiple issues at once is what we do all the time in modern societies, I would think.
Bit of a rant, isn't it. Nobody said it was a priority, only that it was a problem. Addressing multiple issues at once is what we do all the time in modern societies, I would think.
@cqd_sos You literally called them a "major contributor". Do you actually believe in anything you're saying or were you just tripping over yourself to agree with Jesse Watters as quickly as possible?
@trenchworms
Yes. Major contributor to marine pollution, according to ICC figures. Rank 8 in the US, 9 globally, if you don't mind me repeating what I told you already. Now show me the reputable study that says those figures were irrelevant.
Yes. Major contributor to marine pollution, according to ICC figures. Rank 8 in the US, 9 globally, if you don't mind me repeating what I told you already. Now show me the reputable study that says those figures were irrelevant.
(edit: numbers in pounds, revising)
(edit2: actually this study is unhinged and confusing -- the numbers add up to the pounds value, but their words imply that straws are counted per-item:
"STRAWS AND
STIRRERS = 415,957
That is enough plastic
straws and stirrers for
every Galapagos
penguin to have
346 each."
There are 1500 - 4700 Galapagos penguins in the wild; 1800 if we just go by Wikipedia. If those numbers are in pounds, then even the highest estimate puts it at 88 pounds of straws (i.e. 4400 straws) per penguin. So my only takeaway is that they are counting straws per-item.)
Which means my initial numbers were right:
3.6 million kgs of plastic waste recovered
416,000 straws recovered, weighing approx 0.5g each = 208kgs of straws recovered
Straws recovered were therefore 0.0058% of total.
So yes.
By your own cited study.
I am happy to say that I find 210kgs of straws -- less than 1% of 1% of the recovered plastic -- is pretty fucking irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
And that's WITHOUT counting fishing debris. The Greenpeace study you have a problem with literally calculates straws to me MORE of a problem than your study. And it's STILL. FUCKING. IRRELEVANT.
Can/should we get rid of single use plastics when possible? Yes.
Are straws the place to agree with right wing ghouls for this purpose? Absolutely the fuck not.
@trenchworms
No, it's correct. The numbers for the individual categories are items collected. They don't add up to the total of items because the top 10 categories aren't exhaustive. Meaning there's a lot of other stuff they picked up that doesn't fit those categories.
No, it's correct. The numbers for the individual categories are items collected. They don't add up to the total of items because the top 10 categories aren't exhaustive. Meaning there's a lot of other stuff they picked up that doesn't fit those categories.
@cqd_sos Then my second edit definitely stands.
Is 0.006% of the world's marine plastic really worth saying "Um actually, this right wing monster is technically right?"
Get your priorities straight.
@trenchworms
Show me your calculation, please, based on the numbers from the report. Seems you're having a minor problem with basic arithmetic.
Show me your calculation, please, based on the numbers from the report. Seems you're having a minor problem with basic arithmetic.
From the report:
Total waste in kgs: 3,612,215 (pg 21)
Total straws/stirrers (I'm happy to assume these are all straws): 415,957 (pg 15, pg 21)
Approximate weight of 415,957 straws at 0.5g each (rounded up from 0.42 grams): 207,978.5g = 207.9785kg
% of straws in total plastic: 207.9785kg / 3,612,215kg = 0.00575764454%
What am I missing?
@trenchworms
You're missing that you can't use weight, because you only have a weight total that includes all sorts of stuff, not just plastic. That, I thought, was implied when I said those categories aren't exhaustive.
Mind you, those are volunteers who're cleaning up beaches and waterways, extensively keeping protocol along the way, for our all benefit. They don't just throw something back into the water when they find it isn't plastic. Might be wood. Might be metal. All part of the total.
@cqd_sos I don't know what to tell you.
If you think that 210kg of plastic on a global scale for a year of collection -- out of MILLIONS of kgs of other refuse being collected -- is relevant, then I don't think anything I do will convince you otherwise.
Enjoy screaming into fedi threads to support right wingers who would see you choke to death on smog for a laugh, I guess. You do you. I hope it serves you well.
@trenchworms
It is extremely relevant, because it helps us extrapolate. Plastic doesn't vanish, you know, it only becomes smaller and smaller in the oceans' grind, until it enters the food chain and, eventually, your precious body.
The invaluable work those volunteers do helps us understand how much more waste might be swimming out there, helps us understand that, at some point for certain, action will be required. Better sooner than later, to buy us time for better technologies to arrive.
Shdwdrgn@georgetakei I eat soup in public. I drink my milkshakes through a straw in public (well no, a GOOD milkshake has to be eaten with a spoon). And I will damn well cross my legs in public any time I please.
You think I'm not a man because my masculinity isn't so easily threatened? Come say it to my face and I will kick you with my high heels!
DJ Toebeans@georgetakei Milk shakes are for one group of people: the lactose tolerant.
Nerb@nerb @georgetakei Fair enough!
Kyle Brown 
@georgetakei excuse me while I cover myself with a safety blanket so that I can eat soup at a restaurant
notthatkindofdoctor@georgetakei
I'm sorry, this just comes off as if he's declaring his extremely picky preference in men, because I've only ever heard this sort of micromanaging bullshit in reference to "how I like my women" followed by detailed misogyny like never sitting with your legs open. Someone tell him he's never going to find a man with standards like that!
I'm sorry, this just comes off as if he's declaring his extremely picky preference in men, because I've only ever heard this sort of micromanaging bullshit in reference to "how I like my women" followed by detailed misogyny like never sitting with your legs open. Someone tell him he's never going to find a man with standards like that!
Alan
BandersnatchWhat a weak-ass clown. *Real* men don't give a shit about any of that.
I've done all of those things & I would *walk Jesse Watters like a small dog*.
The Jack of Sandwich@georgetakei I have rules.
I don't let people like Watters set rules for me.
I don't let people like Watters set rules for me.
JackEnrod@georgetakei Wiggy Watter’s face just screams “punch me”!
Soozcat@JackEnrod @georgetakei As the Germans would say: Backpfeifengesicht
HeatherTX@georgetakei
He’s such a snowflake!
He’s such a snowflake!
Alleyoop@georgetakei This is why manhood has become repulsive to a lot of women. Many of us are disgusted by this kind of stupid shit. Men don't know how to be men anymore...maybe since men started creating babies and leaving their mothers behind. I want nothing to do with men and their manhood. Single and happy! That's how we women are living our best lives. ✨
sheep@georgetakei All real men need to have titanium or steel straws as part of their EDC. Plastic straws are full of soy chemicals probably. /s
@sheep @georgetakei he'll need to get used to the soy if farmers do what Trump suggests and switch to just selling to Americans. We grow a lot more soy than Americans currently use...
David H. McCoyThis guy’s a coward. I promise you he wouldn’t say something like that to your face.
I would slap the taste from his mouth.
@georgetakei These people are not sane. It's absolutely banal.
@georgetakei How would he know if "milkshakes are for kids"? Since he abandoned his own children, he clearly doesn't speak from experience.
Unless he's talking about himself?
Nefarious Celt@georgetakei the whole straw vs milkshake milkshake wins. Straw, now made from paper, caves under the suction. My masculinity is not threatened by a milkshake m’tache. Banana shake in my facial hair is not a problem.
BuckRogers1965Crosses my legs and drinks my soup with a straw while starting at this tool.
Kevin RussellLol, this mans sexual insecurities are hilarious, everyone is laughing at him for trying so hard. Hide your boner better son. Sit down.
randomjunque@georgetakei I’m a 60 year old marine vet. My old man is an 85 year old army vet. We both like strawberry milkshakes thru straws. This dude can stick it you know where.
Oh yeah, I cross my legs too. No one really ever had a problem with that.
Bruce@georgetakei and so what exactly will happen if someone were to break his rules?
Winjay@georgetakei If I ever uncross my legs and stop drinking through straws, I'll become a man.
Ulrich Mehlis@georgetakei Never pissing, sitting down! I bet he also has truck nuts on his cyber truck....🙄
gunstick@georgetakei you should always drink milkshake. Especially in UK where ther is a tradition to throw the milkshake in the face of fascists.