I wish political leaders in Europe over the last decade had spent less time & effort fighting the invented “invasion” of immigrants and more time & effort addressing the very real, atrocity-ridden invasion to the east.

I mean, call me old fashioned, but armies with tanks, planes, and drones do infinitely more damage than desperate families carrying everything they own on their backs.

I get it. It’s far easier to attack a defenceless group of powerless people than to confront a real threat.

But after a decade of worse-than-pointless distraction, where are we now?

Not to mention that the invading country has also been the one helping the European parties pushing the great distraction most. Europe fell right into the trap.
@andrewstroehlein both are very real issues and you’re only creating political extremism by disregarding one or the other
@thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I always want to ask people who talk about mass immigration as one of the most important problems we face what it would take, do you think, to get you to abandon your home and drag your whole family across hostile territory on foot. What would it take to make your street leave? Your village/town? Maybe we would be better trying to tackle the root cause?
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein You are somewhat exaggerating.
Not all of these millions of (non-European) immigrants arrived here on foot.
There are areas in Brussels, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Frankfurt and Paris that I would not dare venture into.
Swedish prime minister admitted they no longer had any control over gang violence in their cities.
Is this normal?
Is this the Europe you want to build?
Respectfully, I don’t.
@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Politicians in the UK regularly claim things about immigrants that are designed to stoke fear and resentment rather than tackle the root cause. I presume Sweden is the same. The court cases here often seem to be native English people trafficking and exploiting poor people for profit. Perhaps this is a crime problem rather than a non-European problem? Or is your position that Europeans would never form gangs? If so, London has history for you.

@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Well, according to criminologist Ardavan Khoshnood, an associate professor at Lund University:

“(…) I would say close to about 90% of those criminal gangs and criminal networks are individuals with an immigrant background.

They come from the Middle East and the Balkans (…)“

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2008319/rage-sweden-shootings-every-28

Rage in Sweden with shootings every 28 hours as politicians admit 'we've lost control'

EXCLUSIVE: The mild-mannered Scandinavian nation has undergone a rapid transformation into a crime hotspot in the past decade.

Express.co.uk
@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I pay as much attention to the Express as I do to the Sun or the Daily Mail. Show me a sociological study or crime statistics,, and, again, even if this is the case currently, it doesn't mean Europeans would be less likely to form gangs if they were put in similar situations. People are not born with an innate tendency to form evil gangs with all else being equal.
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I agree that this is not a very trustworthy / respectable source, but what other alternative sources would you recommend?
Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein And yet they say no other country in Europe is experiencing it, even though other countries in Europe also have immigration, so this would suggest it's not a basic feature of immigration, no? It's really starting to look like you just don't like people moving countries. Or is it okay if they call themselves expats?
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Many questions here, sorry… What exactly are you asking?
@bearslayer @ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein He’s trying to politely and indirectly point out that yours is a racist sentiment, that poverty and social exclusion are the root causes of gang violence, not “having a migration background”. Europe needs immigrants to generate tax income to support the pensions of an aging population, but they don’t want to give those immigrants the full social protections that citizens enjoy. This is the cause of violence.

@leftyknowitall @ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Re-read all my toots on this thread but not sure where you saw anything racist.

There is no place for racism in Europe, nor should there be anywhere else.

@andrewstroehlein It is silly to pretend that mass immigration is not also a serious issue. Its also not a one or the other either. Europe has being trying to deal with both, infact, for the last decade. The fact that she has largely failed to do so adequately does not mean these issues are exclusive of one another.

Ignoring concerns about mass immigration has partly caused the rise of the radical right. And legit or not, such concerns must be addressed, considering the consequences.

@IntheMesh_ @bearslayer @andrewstroehlein Sure. But that problem pales in comparison to everything else.
The priorities here are completely off-kilter.

@andrewstroehlein

Our most dangerous threats, in EU and especially America, are internal domestic fascists and greedy billionaires.

@andrewstroehlein I'm bored of having the 20th, 40th election in a row, where immigration is the main issue. There are other issues.

That being said, maybe we should take a little less new people. Not because they are bad for us, but because some of us just can't handle the situation. It is eating us up inside and when the far right gets power using immigrants as scapegoat, a lot of other things are lost.

@andrewstroehlein

I would say the biggest problem is the Putinization of the world: the installation of far right dictators after the utilization of privatization and the shock doctrine to enrich the ruling class.

@andrewstroehlein especially when it's that group of people (the immigrants) that contributes more to each countries social security, paying much more in taxes than their millionaire elite.

@andrewstroehlein

Invading forces & expansionist megalomaniacs deliberately create refugee crises.

Forced migration is a deliberate military strategy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponized_migration

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevauch%C3%A9e

Russian support for the brutal Assad regime helped created the Syrian refugee crisis.

Fossil fuel funded climate denial & droughts created the Sudan, Somalia, and Ethiopian famine refugee crisis.

Russia has been at war with Europe for years.

Weaponized migration - Wikipedia

@andrewstroehlein For western Europe events in Georgia, Ukraine and Belarus were sadly seen as very much a distant "Kremlin affair in the post-Soviet space" at a time when German and French leaders still stubbornly insisted Russia was a normal country that could be reasoned with.

Meanwhile the immigration debate has been inherently linked with the rise of Islamic terrorism in the west, which is a smaller scale threat than Russia but feels much more local and tangible for people.

@andrewstroehlein

These people who fight "invasions" are innumerate idiots.

We have known for almost a century that educated girls have fewer children. If women don't have two children, the society doesn't break even: it shrinks.

The developed world needs these immigrants. Now, I'm all for making this n orderly process, but it could be made orderly, with proper language and cultural training and the like.

These "invaders" and their children are our future - like it or not.

@andrewstroehlein - The damage has been done. Who is going to repair the damaged home life in the communities that were destroyed by a senseless war for a land grab and to eradicate a civilization.
@andrewstroehlein There is also the matter of the push factors of war. A war zone pushes people to flee, to become internally displaced, and then refugees once they cross borders. We need to address the push factors to resolve the pull factors.

@andrewstroehlein

Somebody will have replied with the obvious clarification that the immigrant invasion was a stalking horse for the other.

@andrewstroehlein
1938: call refugees the crisis.
2022: call refugees the crisis.
Meanwhile the actual army keeps rolling.
We’re stuck on repeat until we learn which column to fear