I wish political leaders in Europe over the last decade had spent less time & effort fighting the invented “invasion” of immigrants and more time & effort addressing the very real, atrocity-ridden invasion to the east.

I mean, call me old fashioned, but armies with tanks, planes, and drones do infinitely more damage than desperate families carrying everything they own on their backs.

@andrewstroehlein both are very real issues and you’re only creating political extremism by disregarding one or the other
@thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I always want to ask people who talk about mass immigration as one of the most important problems we face what it would take, do you think, to get you to abandon your home and drag your whole family across hostile territory on foot. What would it take to make your street leave? Your village/town? Maybe we would be better trying to tackle the root cause?
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein You are somewhat exaggerating.
Not all of these millions of (non-European) immigrants arrived here on foot.
There are areas in Brussels, Amsterdam, Stockholm, Frankfurt and Paris that I would not dare venture into.
Swedish prime minister admitted they no longer had any control over gang violence in their cities.
Is this normal?
Is this the Europe you want to build?
Respectfully, I don’t.
@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Politicians in the UK regularly claim things about immigrants that are designed to stoke fear and resentment rather than tackle the root cause. I presume Sweden is the same. The court cases here often seem to be native English people trafficking and exploiting poor people for profit. Perhaps this is a crime problem rather than a non-European problem? Or is your position that Europeans would never form gangs? If so, London has history for you.

@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Well, according to criminologist Ardavan Khoshnood, an associate professor at Lund University:

“(…) I would say close to about 90% of those criminal gangs and criminal networks are individuals with an immigrant background.

They come from the Middle East and the Balkans (…)“

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2008319/rage-sweden-shootings-every-28

Rage in Sweden with shootings every 28 hours as politicians admit 'we've lost control'

EXCLUSIVE: The mild-mannered Scandinavian nation has undergone a rapid transformation into a crime hotspot in the past decade.

Express.co.uk
@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I pay as much attention to the Express as I do to the Sun or the Daily Mail. Show me a sociological study or crime statistics,, and, again, even if this is the case currently, it doesn't mean Europeans would be less likely to form gangs if they were put in similar situations. People are not born with an innate tendency to form evil gangs with all else being equal.
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein I agree that this is not a very trustworthy / respectable source, but what other alternative sources would you recommend?
Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful image

Several passers-by are among those killed in gangland shootings and bombings beyond the big cities.

@bearslayer @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein And yet they say no other country in Europe is experiencing it, even though other countries in Europe also have immigration, so this would suggest it's not a basic feature of immigration, no? It's really starting to look like you just don't like people moving countries. Or is it okay if they call themselves expats?
@ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Many questions here, sorry… What exactly are you asking?
@bearslayer @ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein He’s trying to politely and indirectly point out that yours is a racist sentiment, that poverty and social exclusion are the root causes of gang violence, not “having a migration background”. Europe needs immigrants to generate tax income to support the pensions of an aging population, but they don’t want to give those immigrants the full social protections that citizens enjoy. This is the cause of violence.

@leftyknowitall @ravenbait @thetemerian @andrewstroehlein Re-read all my toots on this thread but not sure where you saw anything racist.

There is no place for racism in Europe, nor should there be anywhere else.