Christian StöckerFeb 17
What Europe should do RIGHT NOW: Make it extremely easy for US scientists to get long-term visa, create as many additional research jobs in key areas as possible, create new, generous science and research funds. People are losing their jobs over there NOW. Let‘s welcome them.
Show threadAttila Kinali
@chrisstoecker Unfortunately, this will not work. Not only does Europe only have a fraction of the research positions available that the US has (i.e. we can't even absorb la crème de la crème from the US), Europe has also only a fraction of the research budget available. I.e. even if we could hire all these scientists, we can't finance the research they want to be doing.
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Show threadAttila KinaliFeb 17

@chrisstoecker
The scientific culture in Europe is very different and there is a lot less money available. All that the Trump administration achieved is, that the conguested situation in Europe is getting even worse.

And, unless the conservative parties that have been on the rise for the past 2-3 decades, suddenly change their opinion of science i.e. don't think it's a waste of money and resources anymore, we will not become a science and research power house.

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Christian StöckerFeb 17
What Europe should do RIGHT NOW: Make it extremely easy for US scientists to get long-term visa, create as many additional research jobs in key areas as possible, create new, generous science and research funds. People are losing their jobs over there NOW. Let‘s welcome them.
Show threadAndi BarthFeb 17
@chrisstoecker @semireg and: pre-approve any grant they had in the US for the next 12 months in the EU. No matter what, Details can be fixed afterwards
Show threadmichielFeb 17

@AndiBarth @chrisstoecker @semireg sure, we'll pay it from the same limitless fund we'll use to fund our defense in Ukraine.

Are there any other problems caused by American voters the EU should pay for?

Show threadClaudipicplFeb 17
@michiel @AndiBarth @chrisstoecker @semireg
What we have learned during the financial crises some years ago: if a state really wants to do something, the actual price does not matter. A state is not a company.
Show threadSchienensatzverkehrFeb 17
@michiel @AndiBarth @chrisstoecker It's not for America's sake, and not even first for the scientists' sake, but for Europe's sake: Profit from the research, inventions and economic push of their work.
Show threadmichielFeb 17
@semireg @AndiBarth @chrisstoecker because scientific invention is the product of brilliant star researchers, and not the system that funds and fosters their research?
Show threadAndi BarthFeb 17
@michiel @semireg @chrisstoecker You're funny. This is not how it works.
Show threadsaxnotFeb 23
@AndiBarth @chrisstoecker @semireg details can't be fixed afterwards in regards to funding like this.
Show threadMoppiFeb 17

@chrisstoecker

INSTANT !!!!

Open the gates !!!

it will be never Cheaper to get High end Resarcher and scientists

Show threadben morettiFeb 17
@chrisstoecker encourage the brain drain - good for them, good for Europe
Show threadSimon HainFeb 17
@chrisstoecker wenn ich da an #IchbinHanna denke, kriegen sie tolle 6-Monats-Jobs, für die sich der kontinentale Umzug so richtig lohnt.
Show threadNorbert SchanneFeb 17
@SimonHain @chrisstoecker und müssen b2-deutsch-sprachkurse nachweisen, die sie im Job eh nicht brauchen
Show threadmaptoFeb 17
@dancing_goblin @SimonHain @chrisstoecker in any case, the first ones to benefit from this would be European researchers in the USA. We've already seen part of this happening with Brexit
Show threadIris VolkFeb 17
@chrisstoecker Aber wollten wir nicht gerade die Grenzen dicht machen? 🤔
Show threadDieuFeb 17
@funkvolk das wollte @chrisstoecker ja nicht, und was er vorschlägt wird ja auch bestimmt nicht passieren.
Show threadIris VolkFeb 17
@chrisstoecker @hllizi War ironisch gemeint. 😊
Show threadDieuFeb 17
@funkvolk @chrisstoecker Ja, so hatte ich es auch verstanden. Aber ich glaube auch nicht, daß die Verantwortlichen da inkonsequent werden, nur um irgendeinen Wissenschaftsjackpot zu gewinnen.
Show threadIris VolkFeb 17
@hllizi @chrisstoecker Ich glaube, es ist schon nochmal was anderes, ob weiße potentielle Nobelpreisträger*innen kommen oder nicht so weiße Menschen ohne Ausbildung. Wird nur bissl auffallen, wenn man die einen will und die anderen nicht. Andererseits - vielleicht auch nicht.
Show threadHansUlrich KaeuflFeb 17

@chrisstoecker

Pretty much like the US did, when after 1933 German scientists fled the Third Reich?!?

Why is this idea scary for me?

Show threadHansUlrich KaeuflFeb 17

@chrisstoecker
By the way today serious science is branded as WOKE, in those days modern physics was infamized as 'Jewish Physics' which urgently needed to be replaced by Aryan or 'German' physics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

Deutsche Physik - Wikipedia

Show threadMoritz NegwerFeb 17

@dr_ulli @chrisstoecker almost any academic field, it seems:

Mathematics:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Mathematik

Chemistry:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Chemie

Art:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunst_im_Nationalsozialismus

Architecture:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architektur_in_der_Zeit_des_Nationalsozialismus

Medicine:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medizin_im_Nationalsozialismus#%E2%80%9ENeue_Deutsche_Heilkunde%E2%80%9C

The parallels are striking and not at all subtle.

Deutsche Mathematik - Wikipedia

Show threadlotharFeb 17
@chrisstoecker ... But, but – and then what about the German debt brake?!1!
We still have our priorities.
🤪
Show threadEraserhead 🇺🇦🌈🇪🇺Feb 17

@chrisstoecker
1. I enjoy your regular column immensely
2. You're damn right! This is a big chance to attract smart, educated and open minded people, support open science, and help human beings, who are attacked for their research.

I really hope that European Leaders understand the situation, and act fast!

Show threadSewer PirouetteFeb 17
@chrisstoecker what Europe should do RIGHT NOW is stop drowning people in the Mediterranean Sea
Show threadMartin RundkvistFeb 17

Is everybody aware why the original #Nazis never managed to develop atomic weapons? A major reason was that they made life and an academic career in Germany impossible for #Jewish scientists.

#history #ww2

@chrisstoecker

Show threadGondorFeb 17
@chrisstoecker @rahmstorf ...und bitte an die Science community weiterleiten ✊
Show threadBlaise Pabón - controlpl4n3Feb 17

@chrisstoecker
This is a brilliant idea.
I suspect that #europe bureaucracy moves too slowly to respond to an emergency like this.
I can imagine #Canada or #mexico being nimble enough to make a move.

In fact, if the #mexican government proposed this, many scientists would jump at the chance and it would advance Mexico's position overnight.

Show threadBlaise Pabón - controlpl4n3Feb 17
@chrisstoecker
Perhaps NGOs like Max Plank institute, Nobel foundation, etc could establish local centers in Mexico.
Show threadBlaise Pabón - controlpl4n3Feb 17
@chrisstoecker
Perhaps the strongest argument in favor of Mexico is that many of these scientists are of non-european ancestry and they would be less welcomed by the local population in Europe 😕
Show threadIdealistic Pragmatist Feb 17
@chrisstoecker Europe and Canada too.
Show threadDFeb 17
@IPEdmonton @chrisstoecker

Canada should, but Canada doesn't even create enough research positions for the tons of qualified researchers who are already here and is constantly making cuts.
Show threadtitaniumbiscuitFeb 17
@chrisstoecker CC Yes please! @EUCommission
Show threadNorbert SchanneFeb 17
@chrisstoecker i guess France, Spain, Ireland, Scandinavia, and even Poland, will welcome them... and even the UK...
Show threadSweet Home Alaberta 🇨🇦 🇺🇦 🏳️‍🌈 🏳️‍⚧️ 🇲🇽Feb 17
@chrisstoecker
EU needs medical scientists.
Canada needs doctors and nurses.
Show threadYiorgos  Feb 17
@chrisstoecker It seems a reasonable proposal. But I find it a bit of a chaotic approach. To my mind there should be a more structured approach on the matter, with a clear roadmap, and set priorities.
Also, Europe has welcomed scientists from other parts of the world, who are now driving taxis for Uber and vans for Amazon. It's already unfair how these people have been treated. Let's all have a pragmatic view of the current situation and work on ways on how we can improve it.
Show threadNike LeonhardFeb 17
@chrisstoecker
Das wäre ein extrem kluger Zug. Die USA haben ihren Wissenschaftsvorsprung durch den europäischen Braindrain im Zuge des Faschismus und Stalinismus erreicht.
Wenn man dort jetzt das faschistische Playbook übernimmt, kann Europa davon sehr profitieren.
Show threadRyek DarkenerFeb 17

@Nike_Leonhard @chrisstoecker

Ich bezweifle, dass die Welt 12 Jahre USA, wie sie jetzt sind, überlebt.

Show threadNike LeonhardFeb 17
@_RyekDarkener_
Die Welt schon. Die menschliche Zivilisation (oder das, was wir gemeinhin dafür halten) vermutlich nicht.
Wer jetzt in Low-Tech-Skills investiert, handelt vermutlich weise.
@chrisstoecker
Show threadMakiFeb 17
@chrisstoecker Time for a reverse #OperationPaperclip .
Show threadJörg SeidelFeb 17
@chrisstoecker We should welcome them as the USA welcomed European scientists in the 1930.
Show threadSimon Deane-JohnsFeb 17
@chrisstoecker …just as the US did for European scientists in the ‘30s!
Show threadAttila KinaliFeb 17
@sdjohns @chrisstoecker The US is still getting a lot of European scientists. There are just simply many more positions available in the US than there are in Europe. Thus a lot of promising scientists move to the US, because even a scientist needs to pay bills.
Show threadSimon Deane-JohnsFeb 17
@attilakinali @chrisstoecker Sure, but the need to develop/prefer EU technology to wean the bloc off US tech could lure them back
Show threadAttila KinaliFeb 19

@sdjohns @chrisstoecker The US tech that Europe depends on is mostly large web companies and computer and chip manufacturers.

We don't need to develop those technologies, they already are developed and known. It's a problem of industry development and difference in funding availability for start-ups including a different start-up culture that leads to the US being a hotbed of these large tech companies. It is not an issue of not having the brain power or people available.

Show threadJames 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺Feb 17
@chrisstoecker Operation Paperunclip
Show threadVärldens bästa Kille™Feb 17

@chrisstoecker This all is an incredible chance for Europe. Not only could we get copious aounts of know how, but with strong legislation on marketing, privacy and so forth we could take LOTS of market share from US companies, not least in digital stuff.

"Store your data safely in the EU"

"Made in the EU – where companies must deliver on their promises"

"Buy from the EU – where consumers have rights"

Show threadVärldens bästa Kille™Feb 19

@chrisstoecker

”Made by workers on living wages”

”Made where freckles are allowed, but pollution is banned”

”Made where ’polluters pay’ actually means that polluters pay”

”Made where democracy still works”

”Made under the rule of law”

I could go on forever.

Show threadProfessor_StevensFeb 17

@chrisstoecker

Give me a visa and a job teaching computer science with income sufficient to live well and I'll be there tomorrow.

Please keep in mind that some of us with the experience and wisdom to be the good teachers you need are over 60 years old. Immigration policies often exclude us, but we know what we're doing.

Show threadSydFeb 17

@chrisstoecker hehe, I thought so too. We need "qualified personnel"? Well how about we get the scientists from the US, apparently they aren't wanted over there.

(If you put it very cynical)

Show threadMarkus BucherFeb 17
@chrisstoecker refugees from the US getting shelter in Germany. We are happy to help you!
Show threadAttila KinaliFeb 17
@chrisstoecker Unfortunately, this will not work. Not only does Europe only have a fraction of the research positions available that the US has (i.e. we can't even absorb la crème de la crème from the US), Europe has also only a fraction of the research budget available. I.e. even if we could hire all these scientists, we can't finance the research they want to be doing.
Show threadAttila KinaliFeb 17

@chrisstoecker
The scientific culture in Europe is very different and there is a lot less money available. All that the Trump administration achieved is, that the conguested situation in Europe is getting even worse.

And, unless the conservative parties that have been on the rise for the past 2-3 decades, suddenly change their opinion of science i.e. don't think it's a waste of money and resources anymore, we will not become a science and research power house.

Show threadhsmolinFeb 17

@chrisstoecker not so sure how I'd discriminate a scientist from a 'scientist'.
'number of publications' would be a bad criterion since the 2000s, already
'h-index' might not yield as many as needed, and there is also some cheating

...finally, just offer work to those that aren't considered valuable over there might also miss the point

Show threadMylesRydenFeb 17

@chrisstoecker

ABSOLUTELY!!!

One of the reasons that the USA is so great is because of the huge influx of immigrants from (say) 1870-1950. The brain drain from Europe was huge.

Europe does in fact does have a huge opportunity (not only with highly trained scientists, either) but so do countries such as Japan, South Korea, Brazil, Canada, Mexico and more.

Imagine the transfer of funds if these countries made it easy for retirees (like I am soon to be) to immigrate to their countries. Massive transfers of money from the US government (and stock markets) to businesses in Mexico, Portugal, Japan, etc.

And don't forget people like nurses, physical therapists, EMTs, manufacturing specialists, etc. It is conducting a raid on your biggest competitor's employees. Yes, there are some language barriers, especially in Asia, but that is an issue easily overcome.

Any government NOT thinking about easing immigration rules at this point in time is literally insane.

Show threadRyek DarkenerFeb 17

@chrisstoecker

There is more than enough money available for this. What about the willingness to do it?

Show threadgizmomathboy, FCFeb 17

@chrisstoecker good idea but I'm more sure they do it

Stupid fascists are moving into power in Europe as well

But yeah, kick start a brain drain

Show threadDrtuckFeb 17
@chrisstoecker support the USA brain drain to other nations. The elite want an ignorant supplicant electorate that prize comfort over scruples, much like our elected officials.
Show threadSteve HerseyFeb 17
@chrisstoecker
Hey, Europe: DO THIS!
I know a lot of extremely creative tech folks who would leap at the chance to live and work in a place with sane policies.
Show threadSimon DassowFeb 17
@chrisstoecker We should have done this already irregardless. Meaning it's an opportunity to turn things around and welcome everyone equally without discriminating by country of origin or income.