Wow, I REALLY don’t like the Plex beta on the Apple TV. 😮‍💨

Update: I don’t like it on iOS either.

My libraries are buried, switching between them sucks, and instead of seek controls on TV episode playback, we get skip controls‽ FOH

Either Plex is not serving me anymore (likely) or this is an extremely early look at something that’s malleable (maybe) or it’s just trash and nobody has told them yet (unlikely).

@caseyliss thanks for taking one for the team, I'll hold off until we have to upgrade and then start looking around I suppose…
@caseyliss Who *is* Plex trying to serve with this?

@caseyliss FWIW, I switched from Plex to Channels a few years ago to manage my local library of videos and things have never been better. I've even made my own Jeopardy! channel from all the espisodes I've DVR'd...

https://getchannels.com/dvr-server/

Channels — Channels DVR Server

Our flexible, standalone media server that lets you watch tv your way.

@JPZ hey @maddox you ever try this? I hear it sucks.

😉

@caseyliss @JPZ it’s pretty nice, and is built around customers, not fresh desperate new business models.

@caseyliss First 1P and now Plex? What’s the next domino to fall—Synology, Sonos, or Lutron?

(Of those three, if I had to make a guess, my money would be on Sonos)

@jdechko @caseyliss 1PW 8 has gotten a lot better over time. I don’t have any issues with it anymore 🤷‍♂️

@sean @caseyliss It has.

My larger point didn’t make was that when a company continually squanders its goodwill, it risks turning their super fans (or “evangelists”) into just regular users.

@caseyliss it seems to me that Plex is on a downward slope, and Jellyfin is on an upward slope.

Jellyfin is still WELL behind Plex imo, but unless Plex changes their strategy (which they won’t, because FAST channels and VC money), it’s only a matter of time before Jellyfin becomes the better product

@njf I tried Jellyfin roughly a year ago and was deeply unimpressed. Perhaps there's been major strides since then though.
@caseyliss there hasn’t. My point is only that I see Plex continuing to decline, until eventually they do something stupid enough that makes them worse than Jellyfin. And I hope that Jellyfin continues to get better, because I think it could be something really great
@caseyliss Buried beneath their own content? I don’t like it being promoted that much either. Not really interesting to me, and makes it harder to get to my stuff.
@caseyliss it feels like “not upgrading” can remain a real option for a long time tho, no?
@lexfri You're speaking to a Sonos user.
@caseyliss I’m speaking AS a Sonos user. One of the single biggest perks of Plex is the self hosting. They can’t even auto update if they want to. SUCKERS

@lexfri It's the client apps that are the issue, big guy.

☹️

@caseyliss @lexfri

Would it be possible to build your own client app? Stick with an older version?

@caseyliss As someone who was on the Sonos TestFlight and told them they had glaring problems only to see them release the app anyway to disastrous results...

I think it’s pretty likely that Plex were told about the problems, and released anyway because of reasons that they made in the first place but decided they couldn't change. For reasons.

@caseyliss The Home Screen lacking customization is...bad. And I think getting to libraries moved from two to three clicks. :-( Def hoping you talk about your experience on ATP in the coming months as they develop it more!
@caseyliss I went the way of Jellyfin and Infuse on Mac and iOS, due to a previous update, works great so far!

@caseyliss Beta or preview?

Preview is the new UX.
Not a fan, Not. A. Fan.

@pax0707 sorry, fair question. Preview.
@caseyliss i don’t like it. Same as most recent Plex’s decision.
Excluding PlexAmp. PlexAmp is good.
@caseyliss my main hope atm is that since it has almost no settings, that’s a clue that the whole app is super unfinished.
@caseyliss try Infuse. it acts just as a regular Plex client and provides a much better interface than this new garbage.
@caseyliss I don't know how much you're using content streamed into Plex but if you're primarily playing your own files I am a HUGE fan of https://firecore.com/infuse it just mounts an SMB share and does the useful stuff.
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@caseyliss with this on the horizon might be time for me to give Jellyfin a spin again even though there clients are objectively terrible. Infuse might solve that

@caseyliss it’s a total clusterfuck. I hope it’s a super early beta and they change a LOT of thing.

There are some Apple TV alternatives tho, with Plex as backend.

@caseyliss you already have a bunch of replies. Infuse... don't fight it.

(I'm ride or die Emby/Infuse... let's just say that the plex server I was using kept dying. Don't have that issue with Emby for some reason... but Infuse is such a reliable client compared to first party Emby, esp with things like subtitles)

@caseyliss sounds like the perfect time to create a third party client with Callsheet integration!
@caseyliss kind of off topic, but how is the Callsheet and Plex integration supposed to work? Channels is pretty reliable for me, but I’ve never gotten Plex to show up. I was just curious how it’s supposed to work, since typically you have to enter an API key into an app to get it to poll Plex.

@RickWilliams UDP magic.

You have to ensure your Plex **client** has "Advertise as Player" turned on. And then wait a while and cross all fingers and toes.

Channels uses Bonjour. Plex's stuff is so ancient it uses raw multicast UDP and it's hilariously brittle.