ProtonUnlike Big Tech, Proton will not comply with subpoenas from the incoming Trump administration (just like we refused all subpoenas from the Biden administration), as it would be illegal under Article 271 of the Swiss criminal code.
Nathan A. Stine@protonprivacy can I hear this directly from Andy?
@coin@protonprivacy @stinerman this was in december, how about now ?
Raphaël 🏳️🌈🌸@coin @protonprivacy @stinerman
To be fair, this post from Andy was just after his controversial post about the Gail Slater nomination by Trump
@KMnO4s @protonprivacy @stinerman
The Trump AI post was in december 2024, just like the answer from Yen.
The Trump AI post was in december 2024, just like the answer from Yen.
@coin @protonprivacy @stinerman
Yes, and the controversial post was the day before that: https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660
The controversy started last week following reposts by other people on Bluesky, Reddit and the Fediverse. But the original post was Dec. 4
Andy Yen (@andyyen) on X
Great pick by @realDonaldTrump. 10 years ago, Republicans were the party of big business and Dems stood for the little guys, but today the tables have completely turned. People forget that the current antitrust actions against Big Tech were started under the first Trump admin.
bazkie 👩🏼💻@protonprivacy that's cool, but your CEO was recently big-upping US republicans. What's up with that?
Are you a pro-authoritarian company, or is that 'just' the CEO's personal stance?
D1re_W0lf@bazkie @protonprivacy This. ☝️
Our CEO pointed this out himself not long ago over on X:
https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864672128580083926
As a Swiss organization, Proton is not controlled by any individual, but by the board of our non-profit foundation, which has neutrality in its governing principles.
@protonprivacy so then, the position of the board is 180 degrees opposed to the position of the CEO on some very important topics. Because it's clear from your CEO's (earlier) tweet, as well as some in-depth doubling-down on reddit, that he is not politically neutral at all.
Shouldn't this be grounds for finding a new CEO? Will the board hold a discussion/vote over this?
dieTasse@bazkie @protonprivacy Oh come on give them a break. Drama is over, things were explained, time to move on.
@dieTasse @protonprivacy what a dumb reply. Muted.
computer toucher ._.
kerbafoss@dieTasse @bazkie @protonprivacy
That "drama" isn't over yet because there was no excuse and no explanation about what it mean. Other than a political view, that's mostly a privacy and security problem. The CEO stand for someone who's one of the most privacy threats. And the presence of Musk is frightening in that matter.
Other than Andy's political call was factualy false, it's mostly against @protonprivacy primary mission. The fact that he don't see it is alarming and questioning.
benny@bazkie @protonprivacy I don't think it's as black and white as you're making this situation out to be.
@bennyccp @protonprivacy if you dive into the details of this situation on reddit - there's various comments on there from both Yen and "Proton team" - you'll see they are pretty much on the same page - pro republican, enthusiastic about Vance, and non-apologetic about it.
That's pretty black and white if you ask me. The board isn't neutral - they are on the same page as Yen on this. Proton is a pro-republican company.
I'm not sure where you see much nuance in this situation, but feel free to shine a light on it
Daniel Tóth 
Ghost of Debs 🌹@danieltoth They aren’t wrong on the corporate dems. Fuck all of them. The progressives need to take the party over.
@DarthAstrius @danieltoth They're wrong about corporate dems being worse than any republican. Republicans have shown time and time again that they are utterly uninterested in legislating away monopolies and all the way down the party republicans have fallen in line with that goal. The same absolutely cannot be said about democrats as a party especially after Lina Khan's tenure.
@vmixx Wrong. Corporate Dems are the sole reason the Republican Party got taken over by MAGA, the Corporate Dems got too complacent.
@DarthAstrius Why do you not think that republicans have agency over their own choices? Even besides the fact that nothing here refutes the point I made, there is not a single republican better on the issues at hand than corporate dems. Not to say that corporate dems aren't also bad, but they're not republicans for damn sure. Republicans have chosen to be the party of billionaires and corporations, no democrat forced them to do that.
@vmixx A lesser evil is still an evil, point blank.
@DarthAstrius "Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses." was the statement made by proton that you responded to and said they "aren't wrong on". That's what I'm talking about. You agreed that republicans were better on that issue, you didn't say that they were both evil. Do you stand by that statement that republicans are better on the issue or not?
@vmixx I never agreed that Republicans were better on any issue, don’t put words into my mouth. I specifically said they aren’t wrong about corporate Democrats.
@DarthAstrius So then you don't agree with proton about corporate dems. To say they're right about corporate dems is to say they're right that republicans are better than corporate dems. That's all that my original reply was about.
ozamidas@vmixx @DarthAstrius other than social positions, corporate dems and republicans are pretty much the same.
Vicky Nulan destabilizing foreign governments is not any different or better than John Bolton and his hawkish ideas.
One being slightly preferable than the other on some positions doesn't make any significant difference.
clerian@danieltoth @protonprivacy thank's for the info - this is an immediate cancel of my proton subscriptions
@clerian @danieltoth @protonprivacy
That's pretty sad. He has the possibility the explain or excuse himself but he didn't either.
That's hard to trust the service anymore. I'm thinking of it myself. I feel betrayed and I hope my stuff isn't already sold somewhere.
Life.is.beautiful@danieltoth
May I ask from what Mastodon App these screenshots have been taken.
It looks perfect.
I have been using Fedilab but it just doesn't look good and I need a black dark mode.
May I ask from what Mastodon App these screenshots have been taken.
It looks perfect.
I have been using Fedilab but it just doesn't look good and I need a black dark mode.
Take Off, Eh? 🇨🇦@Life_is_Beautiful Looks like Ivory
@scuttlebutt You are right.
Thanks. But sadly its only for iOS and it costs money.
"Ivory is Subscription-based.
Ivory is free to download, but requires a subscription to use. Subscriptions include a totally free 7-day trial to allow you to evaluate its features in full. Outside of the trial and subscription, the app is limited to one account and limited to read-only mode. We offer monthly and yearly subscriptions to Ivory for iOS + iPadOS, as well as a Universal subscription that also adds access to Ivory for macOS."
@Life_is_Beautiful They are likely mainly getting people that used to pay for tweetbot on the bird site, as Ivory is the rewrite for Mastodon after bird site turned off API access.
@Life_is_Beautiful I don't know, the pictures aren't mine. But I recommend the #Moshidon app, where you can also set black dark mode.
@danieltoth Thanks, Moshidon looks good.
Trump against BigTech. I cannot understand what bring you to think that. HE's there for the BigTech. They all there, they pledge for him. Trump already secure the BigTech and push to put more spying infra and help the BigTech to be able to do it more.
That's just factualy false. Where did @andyyen found this?
@danieltoth @protonprivacy shows that he fell for all the lies.
DNKrupinski@protonprivacy Don't believe that if it's not the commitment of all of you!
Menhera Lexi@protonprivacy still not reactivating my subscription, good try though. My trusty racknerd vps is free of trump loving fascists
Pacogens 
@protonprivacy hace unos días estabais muy acaramelados con Trump... veremos
Action Jay 🐾 
@protonprivacy 'preciate it. Going to take work to undo the PR damage of Proton's CEO congratulating an openly authoritarian administration though. Legal vs Illegal means nothing when tech company owners can just be bought and hand their platforms over.
@action_jay We understand your concern, but please note that Proton is a non-profit, neutral Swiss organization, and is not controlled by any individual, but by the board of our non-profit foundation.
@protonprivacy absolutely understood. I still trust ya for the time being knowing there's checks and balances in the organization
Bela Lugosi's Meds@action_jay @protonprivacy checks and balances are only worth anything at all when they are used. The foundation needs to fire the CEO and get a new one, since they claim here to have both the power and numbers to do so. If Proton doesn't, then the only conclusion we can take is they are all on the same side as the CEO.
@protonprivacy @action_jay What is the board’s stance on this?
I understand that PR mistakes can happen, but your response feels far from transparent. You deleted the original post and I don’t see you addressing the issue directly as the Proton Foundation.
The original post was published under Proton account: http://web.archive.org/web/20250115165213/https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy/113833073219145503
A trustworthy approach would be: mistake → acknowledgment → apology → clarification. Instead, it looks like you’re trying to sweep it under the rug.
Proton (@protonprivacy@mastodon.social)
@jonah@neat.computer Corporate capture of Dems is real. In 2022, we campaigned extensively in the US for anti-trust legislation. Two bills were ready, with bipartisan support. Chuck Schumer (who coincidently has two daughters working as big tech lobbyists) refused to bring the bills for a vote. At a 2024 event covering antitrust remedies, out of all the invited senators, just a single one showed up - JD Vance. 1/2
Gavin@protonprivacy It's just a shame we no longer trust you. You can thank Andy for that.
Mark Stoneman@protonprivacy Nice, but having a CEO who shills for a fascist does not inspire confidence.
NosirrahSec 🏴☠️ guillotine enthusiast@protonprivacy you need to remove your fascist-simping CEO.
I will not be re-upping when my subscription is up, and I've been a STAUNCH supporter for years.
I will not be suggesting this service to anyone any longer as all trust has been voided.
@NosirrahSec @protonprivacy same! make the right choice and boot your CEO.
@protonprivacy supporting anyone in the party CURRENTLY throwing Nazi salutes in public is 100% inexcusable and anyone doing it is not to be trusted.
We can no longer trust your org with our data, regardless of any PR statements until your fascist promoting CEO is removed.
2 new clients hold up. 3 other people think of canceling. That's my close life right now. @protonprivacy was quickly gaining space around me and will soon disappear is they didn't fix that trust issue.
technicat
josh g.@protonprivacy So you're going to do the bare minimum of following Swiss law while your CEO swoons for fascists. Not enough to earn my trust back; thanks for the reminder to unfollow you here I guess.
DekkiaI switched to Tuta today.
Financing someone who praises Trump in any way shape or form (and not apologizing when getting called out) doesn't align with my moral compass.
Luckily I own my domains so it was pretty easy to do.
ƊƲƘЄƬӇƠƦƖƠƝ@protonprivacy unlike everyone else, I thank you for your products and what you do. Now lets get that Drive and Calendar finished!
Xenofact (he/him)
@protonprivacy Look, you've built a great service, but your CEO destroyed any goodwill you rightfully earned. You're going to need to boot him or otherwise course correct, and it'll take time to restore trust.
Barry Badrinath 🚴♂️💾@protonprivacy The Proton social account still trying to reply to fediverse users telling them to get fucked is hilarious. Just abandon your Mastodon account until Yen leaves. You aren't going to convince anyone of anything here. Also, get fucked.
Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈@protonprivacy this is what we want to hear, not some idiot American Tech Bros 'Free Speech' wankery...
Oleksii@protonprivacy What the point of this? Your CEO already explained everything, and then explained it again. There’s no way out of this - you made your choice siding with Big Tech and Trump. The trust is gone.
AlexanderMars@protonprivacy spare me, I used to recommend proton to people looking to leave Google, now I'll recommend tuta or self hosting with #nextcloud