jimtuckJan 3, 2025
Ricki Yasha Tarr

Okay, I have a Star Trek theory. You know how all Star Trek characters are obsessed with 20th century or earlier art? The reason is AI, at some point there are no people making actual art, since AI can't create anything, it just recycles stuff that it knows over and over. There were years and years where no new art was created, so art never moves forward.

OR

I'm high.

Jan 3, 2025 at 3:47amWeb
Show threadPeaceNick🇨🇦Jan 3, 2025
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Show threadSir ToootensteinJan 3, 2025
@intothewestaway @RickiTarr 😂
Show thread👩‍🦯The Blind FraggleJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr Maybe on Earth, but they do have lots of music and books from other planets and cultures at least. Maybe Earth as well, I don't remember for sure.
Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@Fragglemuppet I mean we hear Klingon Opera, but earthlings are still pretty xenophobic lol
Show thread👩‍🦯The Blind FraggleJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr And in one scene Jadzia was playing Vulcan music, but there were no humans in that scene.
Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@Fragglemuppet Jadzia is too cool to be human
Show thread👩‍🦯The Blind FraggleJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr Most of the time I like Jadzia, but sometimes she reminds me of my cousin, and not in a good way.
Show threadJuho MäntysaloJan 3, 2025

@Fragglemuppet @RickiTarr

May I ask you to expand on that? Would like to hear how you see Jadzia.

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@iju @Fragglemuppet It was mysterious lol
Show threadeconadsJan 4, 2025
@RickiTarr @Fragglemuppet
She's Trill..
Show threadJoshJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr Hey now, you can be two things
Show threadEric VitielloJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr there’s definitely going to be some homogenation as time goes on.
Show threadBill HookerJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr It's a cool theory. I could easily imagine decades and decades in the near future in which every opportunity to make a living as an artist has been destroyed by AI, so unless you're into underground stuff you'd have to look back to the 20th century and before to get real art made by real humans.
Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@sennoma Omg Underground Art scene sounds awesome
Show threadsahqonJan 3, 2025

@sennoma @RickiTarr I don't think getting rid of professional artists will do much anything about art being made. People make art all the time for no other reason than that they want to fuck around with stuff.

What could destroy art is if people no longer have the time to make it (resources will always be found). Whether it's taking away free time or by sitting everybody down to get stuff beamed at them.

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@sahqon @sennoma Humans don't stop making art, for sure, but it can get lost or buried.
Show threadsahqonJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr @sennoma Some of it always goes that way. But it's not necessarily a bad thing either. I think getting exposed to the absolute best art the most talented few people all the world around can come up with is one of the reasons art is starting to die out. Why would you paint something when you can see how it's "supposed to be done" and know you'll never be able to get that way? It's only in the very recent years that this is an issue, a few decades ago you could get some stuff over in magazines and before that, you could maybe visit some galleries or cathedrals and see some stuff. If you had a lot of money, you could visit more of those. But for the majority, art was what local people around them could come up with, and that was, for quite a lot of them, very achievable, so they would happily try and make some themselves. They didn't have access to the great painters, so painting some stuff on their walls was nice. They couldn't listen to the best musicians, so whatever the local band played was nice. The greatest things they ever came across were achievable and could be improved upon. That's something we lost already, and I'm not sure AI won't actually help with it, against all odds: handmade is already often preferred to perfect, and once you can't tell perfect from AI, it might become even more desirable, who knows.
Show threadeconadsJan 4, 2025
@sahqon @RickiTarr @sennoma na, if you like making art you like the process. If you're only doing it for recognition or money then you'll most likely not last long. Look at how many artists could make a much better living doing other things - creation is a basic human drive and a route to fulfillment. You get good because you're interested, you aren't interested because you're good. "Talent" is mostly bullshit, you are only interested enough to practice enough to become good.
Show threadThe Eddie Show 📷🎧❤️Jan 3, 2025
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Show threadAllan ChowJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr it just means that star trek was a fever dream of karate spock this entire time
Show threadDoNotPunchDownJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

I believe in your theory. To go further, and even worse, artists of all kinds have a hard time proving their art wasn't "created" by AI.

But I'm pretty sure you're high.

Both can be true.
✌🏻🌺⭐😁

Show threadThomas GuerreroJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr There is going to be a period of disruption over the next few years but I truly believe deep down that artists and those that appreciate and need art, are looking for more than just the final result. They want to feel the humanity intertwined with our stories.

But I suppose I could be wrong... I am not high tho.

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@ThomasGuerrero Underground Art Scene
Show threadThomas GuerreroJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr It does sound cool.
Show threadeconadsJan 4, 2025
@ThomasGuerrero @RickiTarr
I 100% believe this. You have fun making stuff even if you're never going to be good. Creation is fun.
Show threadSamJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

 

I'll always give extra mental credit to SF that includes references from the intervening cultural milieux.

I just finished the Bone Clocks for e.g. in which David Mitchell remembers to do this during the final chapter.  

but also, i hope you're pleasantly high  

Show threadCardboard RobotJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr And!
Show threadSunset & FireJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

I'm going with, you're high. Not a judgement, just a guess.

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@SunsetFire First of all, how dare you lol
Show threadSunset & FireJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

Takes one to know one 😁

Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

solid stoner theory

Show threadGeePawHillJan 3, 2025

@benroyce @RickiTarr Not a Star Trek guy, or a Star Wars guy.

Did Data just do a line?

Show threadGeePawHillJan 3, 2025
@benroyce @RickiTarr I spoze that identifies me, not a Star Trek guy, not a Star Wars guy, a guy who knows what doing a line looks like. :)
Show threadBen RamseyJan 3, 2025

@GeePawHill @benroyce @RickiTarr Hahaha!

This looks like behind-the-scenes footage, and Brent Spiner is probably trying to scratch his nose without messing up his make-up.

Show threadᴮᵉⁿ ᴿᵒʸᶜᵉVOTE IN THE PRIMARIESJan 3, 2025

@ramsey @GeePawHill @RickiTarr

you folks have never seen star trek?

this is just standard stuff on an average episode

(/s)

Show threadGeePawHillJan 3, 2025
@benroyce @ramsey @RickiTarr You know me, Ben. I don't get out of the house much.
Show threadMelissa BearTrixJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

You are so one to it ... So right ... Spot on ... Giggles

Hugz & xXx

P.S. yes I am stoned currently

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@Melissabeartrix high five
Show threadStefanJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr oh shit that makes sense
Show threadMikeJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr They totally missed the neo-dimensionalists of the 22nd century, Guinan may have referenced them
Show threadsleepy62🍁🛠️ 🖥️ 🔬 🌞Jan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

AI Art on #StarTrek

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@sleepy62 Bahaha
Show threadPS JenJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr I don't remember seeing any art historians exploring these new worlds. Maybe they used an app.
Show threadAlienKnightJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr this actually makes a lot of sense, and it's pretty interesting to think about Data's interest in the Arts through this lens
Show threadJoe BeamJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr
What if the art making AI(s) are sentient?
Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@JoeBeam That's the next step
Show threadDansaracJan 3, 2025
@JoeBeam @RickiTarr What if artists are? Which do you think is more plausible?
Show threadIrregularjoeJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr
No, unfortunately I think you're right.
Show threadRejZoRJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr Or worse, Ai was learning on Ai generated stuff and just degenerated itself, like re-saving a modified image thousands of times, it just degrades and gets worse and worse.

It's what I warned about for a long time now. First wave of Ai stuff was all trained on human data. How it will differentiate live image from Ai generated that was done with halucination of an Ai? It can't, it'll just train from it.

Show threadRicki Yasha TarrJan 3, 2025
@rejzor That's what I'm saying, that's why all their holoprograms are off brand versions of real things
Show threadDr.UbertroutJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr
Or being high makes you more open to trying to work on the mysteries of life and Star Trek.
Show threadRobertJacksonJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr

https://youtu.be/ks05YuDGy6A?si=p3f7y46nV4orwwp8

Obvs not been paying attention to 20thC Dada Art ... Kurt Schwitters was master.

AI really should be encouraged to study Kurt Schwitters imvho.

Schwitters - Ursonate - Complete Poem (with Verses Displayed)

YouTube
Show threadabsurd.spaceJan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr makes sense to me.
Good stuff :)
Show threadIrenes (many)Jan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr it's a neat thought, we do like it. note that in canon (ever since the first ep of TNG explained it), the humans in Star Trek spent much of the 21st century killing each other and intentionally destroying all culture and also all records both historical and contemporary-to-them. so that's why humans in the Federation era are so appreciative of diversity and culture, they're yearning for the lost greatness that their ancestors deliberately got rid of
Show threadIrenes (many)Jan 3, 2025
@RickiTarr it is also a convenient excuse to not have to invent future art history, of course. Star Trek does a lot of future history but its fictional art is mostly limited to whatever precious little weird wine glasses the props people were able to find
Show threadJeffreyJan 3, 2025
@[email protected] Great art needs struggle. Nobody struggles in the Federation, so there's no great art. Star Trek needs the child from “The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas so that citizens can make great art again. Maybe on some backwater planet there's a population that is abused so they can make great art that others or AI take credit for. You don't believe your precious Federation could be so cruel, but David Fincher might be working on something.
Show threadMaxTheFoxJan 3, 2025

@RickiTarr @jlm @mynameistillian I actually really dislike this argument, that art requires suffering.

Sure, maybe some artists, a tiny minority of them, can leverage their suffering into art.

Most artists can't. I'm a writer and when I have a rough patch in life, I simply find I write absolutely nothing or write generic slop because anxiety and stress kill any inspiration.

I would write so much, and higher-quality, if I was on UBI and needn't to worry about my or my friends' livelihood.

Show threadJeffreyJan 3, 2025
@maxthefox @RickiTarr @mynameistillian not suffering, struggle. Anyone can make art, but great art the kind that comes from Van Gogh, Pryor, and others like them doesn't come from shiny happy people.
Show threadMaxTheFoxJan 3, 2025
@jlm @RickiTarr @mynameistillian "Great" is subjective. Standards will shift, and what people will consider great will shift too. In the distant future there will be entirely new forms of art beyond what we can imagine now. I doubt we will continue to idolize the 19th century forever.