This article is very uncomfortable to read. https://www.wheresyoured.at/never-forgive-them/
Never Forgive Them

In the last year, I’ve spent about 200,000 words on a kind of personal journey where I’ve tried again and again to work out why everything digital feels so broken, and why it seems to keep getting worse, despite what tech’s “brightest” minds might promise. More

Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At
Yes I am aware that ironically Ed Zitron's blog site prompts for you to subscribe. I didn't notice initially because I read via a read later app (see: https://freeradical.zone/@r343l/113677511251375108). If anything it enhances his argument to me because the way the "attention economy" works even someone ranting about the misdeeds of the system feels compelled to use these annoying systems. But I admit it's still annoying. That's why I read almost all links I'm sent via Pocket!
Rachael Ludwick (@[email protected])

@[email protected] lol yes. I reflexively save all links to a read later app so I saved it a a day or two ago from the iphone share sheet (sent straight to read later app w/o loading link) and so didn't notice that popup subscribe until I loaded the link in a browser to make sure I had a "clean" link (Pocket absurdly adds a shortener / tracker now). Notice all the little cuts the article talks about just in me sharing the link!

Free Radical
@r343l He should switch to a platform like Bear, Write.as, or Ghost that doesn’t do that. He’s here preaching about how awful these half/full-screen, unavoidable nags are while using such a platform to host his blog. There are good alternatives!
@r343l I went there and it ironically interrupted me to demand I join its free newsletter
@Forbearance lol yes. I reflexively save all links to a read later app so I saved it a a day or two ago from the iphone share sheet (sent straight to read later app w/o loading link) and so didn't notice that popup subscribe until I loaded the link in a browser to make sure I had a "clean" link (Pocket absurdly adds a shortener / tracker now). Notice all the little cuts the article talks about just in me sharing the link!

@r343l I don't think the article's conclusion of "it is sufficient to complain loudly about this problem" is really going to cut it, though.

How do we... stop doing these things?

@Forbearance I don't think the author's intent was to propose a concrete plan of action so much as to write something that makes a variety of people of different tech backgrounds and preferences actually recognize and label the problem, in a very intensely emotional way.
@r343l Well yes, but, having labeled it, we now must solve it.

@Forbearance @r343l for me, no #Twitter no #Facebook and I’m cutting down on my #YouTube.

I have beaten all kinds of addictions including meth and meat. But the addictions from #SocialMedia is its own level of toughness.

@Forbearance @r343l while reading:

  • 3 popup messages to join the newsletter.
  • 2 inline ads asking me to join the conversation.

Still, it was a good article. I liked:

Aside: I swear to god, if your answer here is “get a MacBook Air, they’re only $600,”

But I was thinking "how do we grt #Linux on those $300 cheapo laptops?"

@ktneely @r343l It would improve them. But mere open-source-ness is not a perfect defense against the equipment having a hidden agenda (see: Ubuntu Pro). And to the extent it works it's another way that, as the article notes, technology experts can partially insulate themselves from the negative effects of technology that, statistically, they probably peddle as a day job.
@ktneely @r343l Perhaps we should declare advertisement, interruption, or other actions against the user's interest to be forbidden, in the mode of medical malpractice, or misconduct by a financial advisor.
@ktneely @r343l Perhaps this is one of the numerous problems that, like most things in NP, reduces to the destruction of capitalism.
@ktneely @Forbearance @r343l I had the same idea. I ran Linux on a $100 used Intel Chromebook in college

@ktneely @Forbearance @r343l

Ideally, we don't.

If you want to run teh linux on a cheap laptop, your best bet today is a refurb thinkpad from an ebay seller with lots of sales and a good rep.

Yes, it's older hardware - but that's why it works.

If we all opt out of new shit hardware, they'll stop making it. Not giving them your money is kryptonite.

Sadly - it won't help,with most of the points in that excellent rant. But it's a toehold. It may not give you what you want, but it might get you what you need.

@Forbearance @r343l I wasn't going to say anything...

When the 3rd ad promised me no ads, I lost interest 🤣

@Forbearance @r343l yeah, I like Ed Zitron's stuff but the subscribe ad embedded three times and two pop-up versions of it, even though I'm already subscribed...
@Forbearance @r343l Yes, I stopped reading there.
@Forbearance @r343l glad it wasn't just me who noticed that
@r343l mainly made me uncomfortable because it ignored people who "can follow the changes in tech, but hate it from the depths of their souls and fight against the tide in their personal lives at all costs" (me). I long since realised most of what they're talking about and feel nothing but rage whenever something forces me to use a smartphone "app." Usually that results in me not using the thing at all. Like sonos speakers. Just let me use normal fucking bluetooth audio or an aux cord. If it doesn't respect me, I won't respect it.

@r343l On a new laptop, I wipe Windows without ever booting it, then install Linux. In one case the easiest way was to just pop in the SSD from the previous laptop destroyed by impact, then switch its boot system over for the newer UEFI-only board.

I block all known ad networks and all known trackers unconditionally. I also block both Google and Facebook in normal browsers and will not allow FB to run Javascript even in Torbrowser as I consider the site malicious. No white list, no exception.

@r343l even tho I know all of those things, I'm usually unable to do them unconsciously because of my adhd. This has lead me to completely isolate from the internet and slowly go back rethinking each part and putting counter measures.

This shit is not easy and should be taught in schools. Using always an adblock, never use gmail, avoid meta and commercial social networks like they were satan, using linux, ... Mostly avoiding being a product in the first place. One you're there, you don't have to do mental gymnastics for each easy task.

@r343l

Agree that it's a deeply uncomfortable read... on the rot economy & most of all that bottom line (also in yr excerpt), about needing 'us' - including tech gurus - to understand that "most people are not like you and are actively victimized by the tech ecosystem". Ouch! 😐

@r343l Big Tech has also conditioned most people in not being able to read an article this long anymore. 😉

@r343l I found one of the comments interesting. I can't link to it. "L" writes: "What you described in your piece is the Black experience in America in particular. Every part of American life for Black people exploits and demeans you. Every part of American life for Black people is constantly equal parts draining and enraging. This is every day. Every. Damn. Day. What I find fascinating is Black people are largely ignored when we point these things out. Even liberal white people don't get it. But as soon as middle-class white people have to endure what has been the non-white experience in this country, white people become radicalized. That's the only way tech has equalized America. Tech exported the Black Experience to white america and white people hate every second of it." The comment goes on a bit longer.

I would like to CC @mekkaokereke on this for their perspective, if they have time.

@r343l This is an almost heretical sentiment on Mastodon, where it is tradition to express frustration and vague contempt with one’s non-tech-savvy loved ones who can’t get a handle on all this.
@r343l I would sympathize more with the subject if the article didn’t harass me with exactly what the article is about: repeatedly enshittificating my reading experience with full-screen popovers begging for my email address. 🙄
@r343l that's why my dad is grateful that I taught him some computer literacy. He's 84 and he won't click on stupid fishing links. He also doesn't take shit from enshittified software.. he even regularly backs up his stuff and knows how to fix some of of Windows' annoyances 😁 If you need an xmas gift for your loved ones, teach them how to properly use a computer
@r343l If you think this is uncomfortable, check out his article on shareholder supremacy. https://www.wheresyoured.at/tss/
The Shareholder Supremacy

I promise you, everything that's happening makes sense. It all feels so chaotic, so utterly, offensively stupid, so disconnected from reality that it's hard to understand how Meta can run a terrible company with decaying services that's also wildly profitable, or how Meta, Microsoft and Google can proliferate unprofitable, unsustainable

Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At

@faoluin @r343l read as much as I could but had to finally click off because of beating a dead horse.

But the article confirms what I suspected - stocks are bad for the economy.

We need to abolish stocks.

@r343l IMHO modern tech allows democratization of control over others.

Democratic (enlightenemt) values were intended to support individual agency in opposition to feudal values of ownership and control by a few over the many.

I also only use FOSS and am currently swimming hard against the current of corporate control of every aspect of my participation in society. It is exhausting.

@r343l Or, you just use open source software, apps, services.

A forking threat a day keeps the enshittification away.

#opensource

@r343l

Ed also has a very interesting article on

The Men who killed Google. [ Search ]

https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/

This is the result of taking technology out of the hands of real builders and handing it to managers at a time when “management” is synonymous with “staying as far away from actual work as possible.” And when you’re a do-nothing looking to profit as much as possible, you only care about growth. You’re not a user, you’re a parasite, ....

The Man Who Killed Google Search

Wanna listen to this story instead? Check out this week's Better Offline podcast, "The Man That Destroyed Google Search," available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. UPDATE: Prabhakar has now been deposed as head of search, read here for more details. This is the story

Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At
@r343l nice, got a popup in the middle of reading this
@r343l
I'm doing all these things & deeply resent all the time I am forced to spend on it.

@r343l It's a must-read (though it could have been edited down by at least a third).

There was a sentence where he referred to our tools and my brain immediately corrected "tools" to "products". Tools serve you, products serve their sellers. I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

@r343l the way this sort of gets near the point and then drips liberalism by saying we should Complain About Companies instead of fucking banning advertising and user surveillance, the underlying practices that incentivize this rot

@r343l the early 1990s web evolved into this shit more or less deterministically as a result of advertising making it profitable to 1) get eyes on your web page and 2) control what people do on a computer as a means to the former

the web should never have had styling or scripting by page authors; the user agent should have been a powerful tool for extracting content; and "apps" should never have existed

@r343l I died laughing at the point when I hit this

@r343l Heh the article put up an enter your email pop-up.

Best defenses: debloat your laptop (win11debloat), use firefox and ublock origin, do not use a smartphone. Seriously, do as little as possible on a phone. Most of the annoyances, for whatever reason, are aimed at phone users. Use a laptop.

@r343l This article inspired me to go on an unsubscribing-from-emails binge this morning.

I discovered one organization that has been peppering me with unwanted messages will only let me unsubscribe by logging in to their website. I don't have a login for their website. I don't believe I ever did. I don't know why I'm on their radar at all.

I found some other organizations have set their "notifications" options up as 40+ individual checkboxes distributed over 12+ separate options pages. It looks friendly and compliant but it's really not.

@r343l it should be noted that when the defenders of the status quo get trotted out to defend “the efficiency of capitalism” THIS IS WHAT THAT MEANS.
@r343l ... have always hated Corey's "enshittification" probably just on the scatalogical inference alone but never had an appropriate term to use instead - "the rot economy" sounds so much better to me and I'll be using that in future ... the article itself is quite correct I think - tech folk have known or suspected this for some time ... I feel this began to really pick up pace probably from Windows ME but definitely hitting its stride when Windows Vista and netbooks were a thing ... but sadly, a universal thing now
@r343l and I'm even worse in terms of this author -- whole home is on Linux diet (no darn windows), and phone/tablet system is Android, with all strings attached... but then again, my past implies this 'chinese mom' attitude.
@r343l The site with this article popped up asking for an email address, which is ironic given the subject.

@r343l A personal anecdote from dealing with this issue head-on:

I used to work in consumer facing computer repair. About a third of what we did was malware removal, but around 2/3rds of tickets resulted in malware removal because it's so common. It was mostly malvertising adware that we removed.

Re-opened tickets for malware removal dropped by about 80% after I started showing people how to install an ad blocker on pickup. 80%.

Ad blockers are basically equivalent to antivirus nowadays.

If you use an ad blocker, disable it and then try to browse the web for a few hours. Notice how many ads are just blatant malware or scams. See how many pop-ups, "Enable notifications?" boxes, "Subscribe to our newsletter" popups, auto-playing video ads, and redirects to scareware that you get.

That's what everyone deals with on a daily basis. This is not new, it's been around for a LONG time. Companies put the digital well being of everyone at stake for the purpose of selling more ads.

@r343l I think an interesting counter strategy would be to have a tool to ddos every popup, every time one appears. There should be a darknet app to do that sort of thing.
@r343l A good description of what's wrong, made better(?) by how it *shows* the reader what's wrong as well as telling them; at the beginning, in the middle and at the end. Yep, it makes for uncomfortable reading alright ... 😡
@r343l @cstross I made it as far as the full-screen "subscribe to the newsletter" pop-up and went "it's too early for irony" and closed the tab.

@r343l

Uncomfortable, you mean like eating the red pill?

@r343l The Rot Economy is a cancer. It will destroy us - and the planet - in its single minded drive for growth if we let it.
@r343l Good read. Odd that the author doesn't seem to be active here on Mastodon.

@r343l Very uncomfortable:

"The fact that so many people likely use a laptop that is equal parts unfit for the task and stuffed full of growth hacked poison is utterly disgraceful, because it means that the only way to escape said poison is to simply have more money. Those who can’t afford $300 (at least) phones or $600 laptops are left to use offensively bad technology, and we have, at a societal scale, simply accepted that this is how things go."

@r343l Very uncomfortable indeed.. Half way through it stops me and asks to subscribe.