evacideI am not sure why Mastodon is the only platform I am on where ending a post with "I am not interested in debating this" gets dozens of replies, many of which are, in fact, trying to debate this.
MediaBaron@evacide 😝
Gabriel 
@evacide I am sorry, I didn't read that until I replied 😅
Chilly 
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@evacide
I assume most privacy nerds with opinions are on here. Its hilarious how unaware people can be of themselves. I'm sorry :c
I assume most privacy nerds with opinions are on here. Its hilarious how unaware people can be of themselves. I'm sorry :c
Luke Bergen@evacide I do this sometimes accidentally when I try to "yes and" but it comes across more "no but"
LovesTha🥧@evacide I wonder how hard it would be to try and determine if 'I am not interested in debating this' increases the number of replies or not?
Like actually have for each post federating it with and without that bit and see which version generates more replies.
Jan Johannesson@evacide Reduce the amount of platforms. I have done that. Gives me air.
Bart Champagne ON6BC 
@evacide I'd expect this on Twitter but not going to debate on it 🙂
jmelesky@evacide It turns out the hellsite was inside us all along?
Ian Kluft ✅🖥️📡@evacide At least for some of those other platforms, it may a sign they're dying from lack of non-automated participation.
I noticed after I came to Mastodon, it soon became the only place people would respond, even when the same post was made on the Birb too. I eventually gave up cross-posting to the Birb because there were no longer signs of life there. Since you have a much bigger audience, that's probably why it took you longer to notice.
@KO6YQ Twitter is not one of the platforms that I post to and therefor not part of the observation I was making.
AnneTheWriterI've been on Xitter, Facebook, Instagram, Substack, etc.
I think there is some validity to the theory that you are getting more human engagements here in general than on the other platforms-- or at least, that's a part of the reason.
My Likes/RTs/comments tend to be 8-15 times higher here than on the other platforms, even when I have had far more followers there than here. They aren't necessarily disagreeing, but they are at least showing they read it.
Would you say that your interactions in general are higher in number, or just the debating?
Just Another Amy@evacide
It is certainly the most neurodivergent platform I’m on, and that does frequently come with a side of “somebody’s wrong on the internet”.
(It’s me; I’m the drama.)
It is certainly the most neurodivergent platform I’m on, and that does frequently come with a side of “somebody’s wrong on the internet”.
(It’s me; I’m the drama.)
Proto Himbo European@evacide I recall Twitter being a lot like this for me, back before the leno kmsuc days.
Huh. I should try it here and see what happens.
uwuhaeckse@evacide kind of amazed that didnt happen on twitter
Edelruth, PBS Passport HolderI'm glad you wrote that post. I really enjoyed going through the responses.
🤓
Mike@evacide Some reply-controls (like bsky has) would be pretty dope for this exact reason. Maybe one day!
yetzt@evacide well, you say you are only uninterested in debating, and not setting a clear boundary. some people have trouble parsing this subtle bit about your interests as actually an instruction not to debate. (half /s)
Sam Izby@evacide
Because there are many other apps you can use, and people here know this. Talk to us, we are your unreal friends=)
Because there are many other apps you can use, and people here know this. Talk to us, we are your unreal friends=)
normy foxyoreos@evacide I am *begging* Mastodon devs to prioritize adding a way to turn off or limit replies, why are we so far behind on shit like this, why does this get actual debate every time it gets brought up
@evacide Every time I see a hot take about how the Fediverse is for conversation and not publishing and turning off replies is an antipattern I get more radicalized about this.
I should be able to turn off replies from specific accounts. I should be able to force accounts to ask me to reply. I should get to pre-vet their comments. I should be able to delete their comments.
Every art gallery site I use lets me delete comments under my posts. It's great and helps me foster healthy communities
Whiskers The Great and Terrible@foxyoreos come to GoToSocial, we have interaction policies https://docs.gotosocial.org/user_guide/settings/
@phil I'm watching Gotosocial with a lot of interest, but waiting for it to exit beta and see more usage. That and I'm not currently interested in self hosting, but if it stabilizes I might change my mind about that on .social at least.
@foxyoreos they are being hard on themselves with the beta designation. I’ve been running it for months and it’s as solid as a rock
@phil hm. I'll take a closer look then when I get more free time. I'm really not interested in self hosting, but I have been getting a bit frustrated lately that Mastodon is moving so slowly..
And while I'm not going to switch out of a community like gulp.cafe just for better software, I'm only on .social so that I know my normy account is reachable, so I don't really care about being hosted here, I'm a lot more open to migration.
@foxyoreos I’ve been toying with providing a hosting service, seems like the self hosted aspect drives folk off
@phil I understand that Gotosocial makes it easier, but there's a limit to how easy they can make it. Even if it's just a bash script I need to get a domain name and keep a computer up to date.
I self host on my internal network all the time, but needing to worry about reliability and needing to expose a computer to the public web (either by punching a hole or by setting up a VPS) just makes things more work to think about.
@phil I'm not sure what the answer is because the barriers are stuff that gotosocial can't control. I'll write Mastodon bots from scratch and work with APIs, it's just too much work to worry about network admin and IT.
@phil honestly that's true even for static hosting, the biggest thing that lets me put more static stuff online is that I can deploy to Netlify without touching DNS or buying a domain, and if my site gets out of date, so what, it's completely isolated from the rest of my stuff.
Abandoned America@evacide I love the fediverse but there are some debatey mfers on here, that's for sure
ferricoxide@evacide
Of all the social media platforms, Fedi's about the only one I've seen anything resembling debate and not merely argument.
Of all the social media platforms, Fedi's about the only one I've seen anything resembling debate and not merely argument.
Alex Hoffmann
Iker@evacide Because this platform has a gigantic reply guy and lack of understanding of consent problem (and I am not free of contributing to that when I don't stop and think before posting/replying)
Voline@evacide
Yer not the boss of us!
Yer not the boss of us!
zetabeta@evacide
let's have long discussion about this "not debating this".
let's have long discussion about this "not debating this".
Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.@evacide Honestly, I should just mute the phrase "I am not interested in debating this", any toot containing it isn't worth reading.
It's someone making an assertion, but being unwilling to defend it, which is just wasting everyone's time.
Well-reasoned argument might rarely change minds, but cross-shouting contrary assertions never does; it just stokes division and violence.
@BoydStephenSmithJr Fortunately for you, I am about to save you the trouble of seeing any of my posts.
Steven Lawson Photography@evacide @BoydStephenSmithJr well, I need a new shirt now I just spat my coffee out on this one
Ben Ford 
@BoydStephenSmithJr @evacide I suppose that at least one of you had to show up 🦭
Chris@BoydStephenSmithJr man, talk about being the kind pf person that makes mastadon suck.
@nightclaw Why should I? You seem to be the expert. 😜
@evacide *Adds to my bookmarks of posts to show the "but I never have any issues on this platform" types*
Tom BortelsSome of us have *opinions* and we just wanna tell you all about them.
Block early, block often.
Dan Hugo (雨果丹)(แดน)
Asbestos@RiaResists
That's not true.😁
xs4me2Want to discuss this?
J$@evacide You don’t think that’s similar to putting up a WET PAINT sign?
Madagascar_SkyLMFAO 🤣 🤣 🤣
Martin@evacide
Sorry to ask, but I'm really new to all of this.
Mastodon is the only platform I ever used, no X, facebook, instagram, ... in my past.
So, if you post something, isn't it because you like to hear the opinions of others?
And if you don't, why post it?
Sorry to ask, but I'm really new to all of this.
Mastodon is the only platform I ever used, no X, facebook, instagram, ... in my past.
So, if you post something, isn't it because you like to hear the opinions of others?
And if you don't, why post it?
@evacide Not sure how sarcastic your tweet (skeets or toots are not even good, you're like children who think they can be cool, enough already) was but here goes.
Twitter was once a great debating ground, full of fun until the scoldy identitarian left weaponised safety to remove any dissenting voices. Then came Mastodon where all the loony techies went - a great place if you like fellow minded, mildly to wildly scoldy autistic techie people.
Threads took the 'I just want business conference chat, nothing unsafe, lets just pass the telling each other how WE are changing the world' sort of people, generally anxious but not autistic people.
Then came the great Bluesky who took the scientists and journalists who were tired of the Nazis on Twitter but comfortable with the 'chug piss' trans activists on Bluesky (you don't believe me but the boys and girls really seem to like it there https://bsky.app/search?q=%22chug+piss%22 ). There is a reason it's real name is Blueski...
Anyway back to your question - Different social media platforms seem to have developed distinct community cultures and approaches to debate. Mastodon often attracts tech-focused users who can be quite direct (thoughtless?) in their communication styles. Twitter's debate culture has evolved significantly over time. Threads appears to have cultivated a more business/professional networking environment, while Bluesky has drawn many academics and journalists looking for specific types of discourse.
Aatch@evacide are you only Mastodon? Because I'd expect that pretty much anywhere on the Internet.
Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐@evacide It's because Mastodon doesn't have the feature of being able to disable replies, and Reply Guys are everywhere in the world. The reason virtually every SMS platform is like this is because they are all written by men, who think the Internet exists for them to Be Right Always.
Martin Seeger@evacide In all fairness: one can use your post to debate that topic with other people. One of the fascinating things on Mastodon are discussions in my threads with me only as (very) distant observer 😁.
cultdev@evacide has a ton to do with it being the favored platform for people within your field
David Bailey@evacide I think there's an XKCD explaining this: https://xkcd.com/386/ , even if they're the people who are actually in the wrong.
The internet is full of contrarians.
Extreme Electronics@DBailey635 @evacide No it isn't.
Larix Fleur@evacide happens everywhere to be honest.
"Do not" doest offer directions.
"I do not want to discuss this" means people will want to know why not, its how we were conditioned
Graeme 🏴@evacide Maybe because here at least you get read, even if the request isn't followed. However - if you don't want a debate, well, just ignore any replies!
As a side note - what's the point of posting into thin air, wanting no debate? Just pop your head out the window and shout instead? 😀
As a side note - what's the point of posting into thin air, wanting no debate? Just pop your head out the window and shout instead? 😀
TransitBiker@evacide well in my opinion…..