How do people here feel about Bluesky? I am currently posting to both - largely because I am curious.

Bluesky didn't make 2 key mistakes that Mastodon makes

1. Bluesky web interface is very polished. Mastodon is still clunkly, after all those years.

2. The discovery feed in Bluesky is great - something that Mastodon has never really done, which severely hamper its attractiveness.

My sense is that at the current rate, Bluesky will be what Mastodon could have been.

Thoughts?

@marcelsalathe
Bluesky might be more attractive on surface than Mastodon, but it is just Twitter 2 - as much as I liked pre-musk twitter, I will not be fooled twice ;)
Instead I will use that energy helping make Masto better, because it is not something that can be taken from us.

See this blog post: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/

(There is a Mastodon <-> Bluesky bridge though, which I might set up at some point..)

Pluralistic: Bluesky and enshittification (02 Nov 2024) – Pluralistic: Daily links from Cory Doctorow

@marcelsalathe Webinterface? Das hab ich abgesehen vom Setup nie benutzt. Nimm einfach Ivory und werde glücklich! Kannst mit ner bridge auch crossposten.

@marcelsalathe Today the eu president joined bluesky, she never joined the eu-bred #mastodon. If there was a race for twitter 2, its settled

Bluesky is former twitter folks, they had the know to produce something sleek and workable and they did. They also produced a lot of open source implementations that enrich this space. But they did not play nice with existing initiatives built on #activitypub (typical ego games between techies) which creates uncertainty around how things will evolve.

@marcelsalathe my guess is that a lot of people who put energy and hopes in making the #fediverse mainstream will be disappointed right now with the missed opportunity (others always wanted to keep this space niche anyway).

In the longer term the ecosystem around activitypub is theoretically better placed to become something really new and interesting (#linkedata, #semanticweb etc) but the fact is you need adoption, "killer apps", buzz and hype to attract attention and resources.

@marcelsalathe Ich persönlich freu mich über alles, was X den Garaus macht😈
Mein Blick in die Glaskugel: Ich glaub nicht, dass Bluesky das neue Twitter wird. Es wird kein neues Twitter geben. Die Zeit ist vorbei Ich glaub, dass es einen strukturellen Wechsel geben wird. Eine Bewegung Richtung Dezentralität. Das könnte natürlich auch mit dem Blueskyprotokoll passieren. Spannend wird sein, ob Threads jetzt die Anbindung ans Fediverse vorantreibt, jetzt wo Bluesky ein grösserer Konkurenz ist. 🍿

@marcelsalathe I found my favorite reader to be https://phanpy.social - it even solves the "Cory Doctorow" problem with loooong threads.

Also, my discovery are the boosts of other people :)

And don't you leave mastodon, now that epfl might finally start up it's instance!

Phanpy

Minimalistic opinionated Mastodon web client

@ineiti I have no intention. But it is sad to see that Mastodon is not picking up to good stuff, and I'm worried that with so many scientists rushing to Bluesky, the window of opportunity has closed for another ten years (unless Bluesky fully embraces federation)

@marcelsalathe I read of some people doing the cross posting thingie: on Bluesky to reach out to many people, and mastodon for the cosy fireplace feeling :)

For me it's comfortable here - I found my echo chamber, including some nice weirdos. Wouldn't want to change it.

But if you want to have a big reach, Mastodon is definitely not the right place. And I guess it will never be. Not enough money to push it.

@marcelsalathe I am devoting time on both. Find many more of my professional colleagues have gone to Bluesky. Though the fact that it could be yet another takeover target does give me agita. I think the general process of finding a Mastodon instance and opening an account could have been more user friendly - this platform has so much more potential.
@ProfCharlesHaas I agree. But I think the window of opportunity may now have closed, at least for the scientific community.