@NNN has a question about riding in an upright position:

Q2. When I try to ebike an hour each way using a Dutch/upright position on a sprung Brooks Flyer saddle, my bottom gets sore. But I can ride 2+ hours on a MTB or roadbike with hard saddle OK.

Any advice for getting comfy in an upright riding position?

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@NNN A2. I have had a similar experience. I borrowed a more upright ebike for a while and felt sore. A longer time ago, I rented a dutch bike in Amsterdam for a day with one of those wide springy saddles. I was really sore! I guess it's a matter of getting used to it and conditioning your body.

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@ascentale @NNN A2) I find gloves help, though I'd like my handlebars just a little further back. #BikeNite

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A2. I wish I had a great answer for this, but instead, an observation: whatever our riding position, we're balancing weight between our feet, hands, and butt. Upright positions shift more weight onto your butt, and it's often harder to briefly stand up on the pedals on an upright bike to relieve that pressure (which is what we tend to consciously or unconsciously do on other bike styles).

@ascentale @NNN A2 #BikeNite no solid advice because butts are officially pretty random. Maybe tinker with the angle? Small changes can make a big difference.

I do okay with Brooks on most things, but I am heavy and wear them out. Found Cambium to be a hair hard, then it split at the front. Upgraded to a Ideale (thicker leather, shorter saddle, no holes) after a proper break-in, it's nice. It was $$$$ however.

@ascentale @NNN A2: I ride uprights a lot, it's certainly a different pattern of pressure and friction. Experiment, consider fabric that will protect your skin, and tweak your saddle and riding position. The optimums I think are different, tuning for me being used to higher saddles I think has made my upright less comfortable because I am rubbing the saddle more
@ascentale @NNN A2. a Flyer is just a sprung version of their usual touring saddle. I have one somewhere. A Dutchie needs something wider like a B66. And make sure your legs still share the weight a little. #bikenite

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I love the looks and the lines of brooks saddles and would totally put one on my road bike if I didn't think the saddle would be stolen within a week. You want fatassed gel saddles, like the Selle Royale line. Yeah, they start splitting sideways at the ass end after a few years, but that's the style you want. (my selle royale I glue together once a year, but I've had it 5 years and I bought it used). #bikenite

@ascentale @NNN A2. No solid advice other than how you sit is different on an upright and what rubs. What in particular is sore? Someone with more experience than I can suggest a saddle that solves the rubbing issue.

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#BikeNite A2: I've read that the more upright your position, the wider your saddle should be.

I like to be upright enough so I don't have a lot of weight on my arms. My handlebar stem pivot is fully up, and I have the stock saddle on my hybrid city/touring bike. Mostly I haven't had bikebutt, except maybe for the first few rides of the season.

Recently the bolt on top of the seatpost came a bit loose (many folks on the #CycleWR group ride offered to fix it, thanx all!).

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But I only got around to tightening it today after my last ride resulted in severe bikebutt -- the saddle is a pain to adjust, I have to remove the bracket for the taillight. But the seat must have got tilted up, because today I had bikebutt almost right from the start. So before the trip home I loosened it again, tilted it down a couple of notches, and re-tightened. It made a BIG difference in comfort!

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TL;DR: Comfort may be as simple as adjusting the tilt of the saddle.

(it would probably be more useful to put the TL;DR at the top of the first message 😃)

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@NNN A2 #BikeNite We’ve long ridden upright and have been pleasantly surprised by the saddle comfort of our #TernNBD (blue bike in foreground). Easy-adjust seat and handlebars, and my hands love the handgrip design too.
@ascentale @NNN could be worth looking at fit in terms of seat height, reach to bars, relative height difference between seat and bars, as well as shape and angling of seat. The material and springiness might also make a difference. All that said, I think it’s much tougher to stay comfy longer than an hour or two on an upright cycle.
@dgodon @ascentale @NNN A2 I’m going to agree with Damien on this one. We spend big bucks and lots of time fitting road bikes to each person. I’ve never done it for my step through e-bike. Did a road trip on MTBs through Brittany many years ago. V sore bottom from time in the saddle. #bikenite

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A2. I wonder how much pedalling you are doing on the e-bike. I could imagine that the act of moving distributes the load around your bottom a bit and maybe prevents soreness building up in one place.

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Maybe add bar-end extensions to your bars to allow a range of riding positions?

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@ascentale @NNN #BikeNite A2: Skimmed over the existing answers, didn't see much of what I think on this, so here are my thoughs:

* Brooks leather saddles need a few hundred km or miles "sit in" until they're comfortable. A "sit in" by another person probably doesn't work or makes things worse.

* Brooks Cambium (non-leather) saddles are hard as f🤬ck.

* They say that upright bikes need wider saddles than road bikes.

* Surface material (especially its slippiness) can affect soreness as well.

@ascentale @NNN A2 As a fellow Flyer user, I suspect it's not made for a fully upright position. Its leather is the same as the B17. My comfortable position on it is rotated just far enough forward that I'm mainly sitting on my sit bones.
An hour isn't a long ride. So something quite basic must be wrong. >
@ascentale @NNN Maybe stay sitting upright, if that's unavoidable, and get a wider saddle; however I wouldn't be optimistic about that for myself: I have a B67 on my town bike and its only good for a mile or two. Sitting upright is just a lot of weight on my butt.
Or try to organize a *slightly* more tipped forward position. Move the saddle backwards slightly OR lower the handlebars. The sweet spot is where you can still sit up and take your hands off the bars without a huge effort. <>
@ascentale @NNN #BikeNite 20241108 A2. An upright riding posture, as others have already mentioned, is going to inherently place more pressure on your bottom, and so the only thing I can really suggest other than changing your seating position, is to use as cushy a saddle as you can find, with possibly a suspension seatpost, if your bicycle doesn't already have suspension. I use a Serfas LSD-100 gel saddle on my ebike, which has a much more upright riding position than my fitness bicycle.