I'd just like to remind Americans that France is currently on its Fifth Republic since 1789 (with three Empires—with monarchs—interleaved until 1870).

The USA appears to be in the dying days of its Second Republic (time out in 1860-65) but something better will emerge eventually, if we avoid planetary ecosystem collapse in the meantime.

This, too, shall pass.

@cstross

Balkanization, with 3-4 nuclear armed regional superstates. Which isn't better, but maybe the most likely. Have you read Christopher Brown's novels? Could be something like that too.

@aka_quant_noir That's probably non-viable: nuclear weapons require maintenance every couple of years or they cease to be serviceable, and the supply chains are very exotic and centralized. Same goes for the delivery systems: an H-bomb is no use if you can't put it where you want it.

Our best precedent is the denuclearization of all but one of the Soviet successor states (Russia ended up with all the nukes).

@cstross That's if all goes well. Non viable nukes may be the best case scenario of balkanization.

@cstross @aka_quant_noir I worry that's never gonna happen again. The only reason Ukraine gave up their Soviet nukes was they got guarantees that folks would back them up if Russia invaded...

IMO one reason it was important to support Ukraine at the beginning of the war was to make future de-nuclearization more likely to happen.

Ukraine was one of the only states to ever willingly give up nuclear weapons and I worry others will not do that again bc of the way Ukraine has been treated.

@sidereal @cstross @aka_quant_noir after seeing Trump turn his back on Ukraine, and the obliteration to follow, no country in its right mind would ever willingly give them up.

@cstross @aka_quant_noir

#Ukraine willingly gave up her #nuclear capability in 1994 in exchange for assurances of sovereignty from the U.K., U.S., and Russia. Google #Budapest Memorandum.

How well did that work out?

@cstross @aka_quant_noir If NK can maintain nukes, pretty much everyone can.
@cstross @aka_quant_noir and aren't basically all the nukes already located in red states? Lots of ICBM silos on those empty plains...scary thought.