Europe followed the US into Afghanistan. Then US voters elected Trump and he pulled the plug.
Europe let the US lead the defence of Ukraine. And now US voters have voted for Trump, who wants Putin to win.
Europe has centered it's security politics around a US led NATO, and American voters have now voted for Trump, who wants to pull out of NATO.
It is time for a stronger, more capable, and fully independent Europe.
For our generation, this is our Churchill moment — it is time to lead.
So true Randahl
I Wrote that a few days ago
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With European politicians and journalists still using twitter, I can't see this happening. Russia has all the tools to spread misinformation and fear in European nations. Not to mention acts of terrorism.
As of today we are royally fucked. But I hope you're right and this will be the day of awakening.
@Walter8100000 @Rainne @randahl maybe. I keep wondering if article 5 actually means anything, if there is actually no NATO to be triggered.
but you’re probably right. The Baltics are gonna come first.
Exactly and I hope they will.
Not the UK though, they voted to Leave the EU, and it will take all 27 EU Nations to agree to let us back in, why would they when we slated their people and Brexit crashed the UKs economy?
Awww thank you! ❤️
"They" were 26% of the population, so so many of us were heartbroken in 2016.
@Offbeatmammal @SophieTrades @frdl
I had started work and I know my wages and employment right benefited from being in the EU.
@Offbeatmammal @lyndamerry484 @frdl
So easily led. I cried in 2016 from frustration and utter disbelief. Some of the people I knew had voted leave and their reasons were so random, with little thought of the consequences.
Many now realise they were fooled, but that doesn't change the fact that deep down, it was racism.
@SophieTrades @Offbeatmammal @lyndamerry484 @frdl Same here.
"Trump says it like it is," was what they said in 2016. Then you listen to what the man was saying and, "What??? You agree with that???"
Question them further and it turns out they're not so convinced of the stupid stuff...mostly just the racism and de-humanization.
@Walter8100000 @SophieTrades @frdl
Stay in the EU, that was 48% in, to 52% out, and most of those that voted out are now crying over inflation and higher interest rates.
@Walter8100000 @SophieTrades @frdl
Sorry I am not sure where you are getting 24% from.
52% of those who voted, voted to Leave the EU.
48% of those who voted, voted to stay in the EU.
@nobrainnopain @SophieTrades @frdl
And who gave us Brexit?
The 3% of racist voters in the UK who never voted for anyone or anything before they got the chance to do Farage's dirty racist work for him, and Putin.
I feel the same.
@lyndamerry484 @randahl I think the EU would welcome the UK back.
They would just not get thee same rebates as before.
@lyndamerry484 @randahl Right.
But you said "not the UK though" as if we couldn't work together because you are no longer in the EU.
That's what I disagree with. The stupidity of Brexit notwithstanding.
I just hope there's time
@randahl First of all, we must learn from the US' mistakes.
It is time to ban X.
It is time to hold Google and Meta accountable for the way they promote far right speaking points - or better yet, impound their property and ban them too.
We are going to fail in exactly the same way as the US, because a democracy is only as strong as the information level of its people.
And EU people are dropping fast.
@randahl the problem is that this won't be possible on a short notice, and that means REFORUSA will be necessary as an act of self- and mutual defense.
Sounds radical, but if Trump were to be let into office, he'll speedrun dacism, democide and genocide so fast that he'll turn Hitler into a Lukashenko Cosplayer by comparison...
@anderspuck @randahl @potus These would be much smaller than your typical nuke. They are also called tactical nukes & they would take out a city block.
👉🏾 Tactical nuclear weapons explained https://youtu.be/O6kC2AYK4Ow
#Putin would use them to take out a military battalion. Or to force #Ukraine 🇺🇦 into surrendering.
@martinlentink @anderspuck @randahl @potus That is cool & dandy, but what if #DonaldTrump pulls out of #NATO, or refuses to defend a NATO country if they are attacked‽ #Trump was uttering this nonsense while campaigning in my area.
John Bolton (his former National Security Advisor) stated he believes Trump will exit NATO: https://youtu.be/TeBAF2khal0
@darnell @anderspuck @randahl @[email protected]
Yes. That's what the whole thread was about. How do we, as Europe, handle our security. Most of us are, still, democracies.
You made a remark to Anders Puck. Read his bio, he knows a lot more about nukes than you and I know combined.
@martinlentink @anderspuck @randahl @potus Putin (for good reason) fears the United States 🇺🇸. If Trump exits NATO, that would mean only the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 & France 🇫🇷 would have nukes (the rest of NATO’s nukes are owned & controlled by America 🇺🇸): https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_50068.htm
Putin is evil crazy, & I would not put it past him to use a nukes if America exits NATO. He is already attacking civilian targets & torturing non-combatants.
Nuclear weapons are a core component of NATO’s overall capabilities for deterrence and defence, alongside conventional and missile defence forces. NATO is committed to arms control, disarmament and non-proliferation, but as long as nuclear weapons exist, it will remain a nuclear alliance.
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