neatcheeOct 30, 2024

If an employer ever asks you to resign, tell them "no".

There is no benefit to resigning unless you have another job lined up already.

Make them fire you. Get your unemployment benefits. Make sure you are legally protected in case of malfeasance. Resigning undermines all of that.

This message brought to you by AWS telling workers to return to office 5-days-a-week by commuting or relocating, or they should resign.

Again, the answer is "no, you'll have to fire me."

EDIT: To clarify, in most areas "fired" and "let go" are not legally meaningful terms and can be used interchangeably. The important term is "for cause" or not. So don't commit misconduct to get fired. Poor job performance is typically not a "for cause" reason, nor is failure to accept changes like RTO

Show threadYaoi Box Balloon

@neatchee This is the rule in most EU countries. If you resign yourself, you're on your own for at least a couple months. If you're fired, you're still financially ok, even if it is entirely your fault.

I suspect maybe something similar across the Anglosphere? No expert but only suspect.

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Show threadneatcheeOct 31, 2024
@monsoonrains in the US you're definitely not financially okay if fired, but you do get certain protections, like unemployment benefits (unless fired for misconduct). There are also some cases where you can resign and still qualify if you can effectively show that you were forced to resign to avoid worse consequences (harassment, etc)
Show threadSirena the Miqo’teOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @monsoonrains I remember back when I was much younger, our manager gradually worked her way through firing us all to bring in her own people, but had first cut our hours back. The unemployment benefits ended up being more than my regular pay had been recently.

And yeah she REALLY wanted me to quit. But I'm very stubborn.

Show threadSirena the Miqo’teOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @monsoonrains "You can quit now, or I'll fire you later, but you aren't going to make it through the Summer. "

"Okay, well I'll keep at it"

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@aceattveg @neatchee Damn fucking straight.

Milk it. Moo.

Show threadTexan TallyNov 3, 2024

@monsoonrains @neatchee @aceattveg In my head I'd probably have that famous boxing announcer going "Let's get ready to rumble!"
Or more quietly, I'd probably be blinking with a barely there smile on my face going "challenge accepted" in my head. When you know someone wants you out but can't do anything about it yet, it does seem to kinda give you that burst of XP to keep fighting, doesn't it? it's just the principle of the thing. But this is good to remember.

If you resign, all unemployment agencies will tell you down here (Texas) is "get your job back." Their job is to ensure you avoid having to collect unemployment in the first place, and when they can't prevent that, they make you apply like crazy for jobs and basically take the first one willing to have you. I used to substitute teach and when I told them that, they were like "apply to school districts around here as a sub. Better than nothing." But I would only be able to do 2 days a week because of the distance to my stable tutoring job & it would end come summer and I'd be in the same position, I needed something that would be steady and let me pay the bills. They didn't care, so I went off on my own. A month later, I got a fast-food job at least that worked with my schedule.

Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@aceattveg @neatchee Wow.

It's amazing how management needs to very carefully considering the rules/implications to get rid of people!

Germanys got very good worker protection laws. Yet people try very carefully to oust people and make it seem like they resigned. And younger workers tend to just go with it.

I've sued (and won) my last two employers. But despite all the protections, it was stressful. Now I understand why people don't just whip out their rights/protections. It's tough.

Show threadneatcheeOct 31, 2024
@monsoonrains @aceattveg yeah I've gone after an employer in the US for wrongful termination and got a reasonable settlement, and it was still really stressful. Even had my lawyer on contingency because the case was so strong but decided to settle for the first reasonable offer just to get it over with while still being made whole.
Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024

@neatchee @aceattveg Sounds roughly like the German variation.

You basically strike for a conciliatory hearing settlement first and usually get that. Going to full court is rare.

Show threadTim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPEOct 31, 2024

@monsoonrains @neatchee @aceattveg In the UK it's an s111A agreement, assuming the employer isn't stupid enough to let it actually get as far as a tribunal.

But if the employer says "I'll pay you £xxk to resign" and that's more than you'd have got under the s111A (maybe the employer wants to avoid hassle and avoid having to pay your legal costs) then why not take it? Take advice from *someone* first, though, other than some random bod on the internet.

Show threadsoloOct 31, 2024

@monsoonrains @aceattveg @neatchee semi related: saw this one video of this guy who what he did was

  • get job at [company]
  • report safety issues to OSHA
  • get fired for it
  • sue for wrongful termination

& he made more than he would have, had he actually worked at the job(s) without being fired & dealing with any of this

Show threadneatcheeOct 31, 2024
@solonovamax @monsoonrains @aceattveg Hah! That's amazing. Not the worst idea I've heard if you have the capital to retain the lawyer
Show threadYaoi Box BalloonOct 31, 2024
@neatchee @solonovamax @aceattveg Ohh, also what's handy in a lot of euro countries: you can get legal insurance.
Show threadEarthshine --> movedOct 31, 2024
@neatchee @[email protected] that depends on the state. Worker protections in some states are virtually nonexistent. In any case, it's so almost always better to be fired than resign. Unemployment benefits, in particular, often hinge on the termination being involuntary. I've been burned by that one before myself.
Show threadKaren BrunerOct 31, 2024
@earthshine @neatchee if you're going to get fired, get fired in California. They have some of the strongest worker protection laws and social services.
Show threadEarthshine --> movedOct 31, 2024
@fuzzykb @neatchee True LPT
Show threadCeceliaOct 31, 2024
@neatchee @monsoonrains Wish I’d known about this a couple decades ago. 🙃
Show threadLisPiNov 1, 2024
@monsoonrains @neatchee Depends on the country. Some of them let you get unemployment immediately without any nonsense. In that case it really doesn't matter.

In some anything short of getting fired with cause has no negative impact on unemployment.